Socialised Medicine

[TeePee]

Michael Moores new film 'Sicko' is causing a bit of a stir in the US, and communist doctors are blowing up airports in the UK.

See how bad socialised medicine is?

[Funkstar]

Is that what the US media is saying?

give me strength!

[TeePee]

Close.

'Socialised medicine is why Britain needs to bring doctors in from abroad.

This leaves us open to terrorists, because everyone abroad is a terrorist.'

Of course, the US also imports something like 40% of it's newly certified doctors, but we don't need to remember that, and these terroist attacks were staged to stop americans from demanding socialised medicine in respones to Moores film.

[Funkstar]

God i hate the US media.

I can tell i'm going to get pretty angry for no apparent reason when i'm over for three weeks.

I'll probably just get laughed at by the girls though...

[TeePee]

Whereabouts are you visiting?

[Funkstar]

Vegas, San Francisco, LA, Houston and New York. All in three weeks!

Can't wait. First proper holiday in a good few years.

[TeePee]

Wow.. I like Vegas, it's crazyness suits me.

LA is very extreme. In the space of a couple of blocks you can walk from the affluent downtown financial district to an area where people are destitute, with hundreds camping on the streets. It's such an extreme contrast.

[Sinizter]

What does socialised medicine even mean ?

[Funkstar]

state provided like the NHS. Socialised as is a socialist way of doing things.

Not actually sure if it is correct english, but thats what is meant.

[Sinizter]

Originally Posted by Funkstar

state provided like the NHS. Socialised as is a socialist way of doing things.

Not actually sure if it is correct english, but thats what is meant.

In that case,

Its a perfect system on paper. Everyone gets free medical care etc.

In reality its a pile of BS that needs increasingly immense amount of funding every year to keep it in the same place and to meet increasing social expectations which it is not in a position to deliver. The current NHS is lurching around like an old man who has been gutshot.

[sunnyg]

do non-socialist health care systems, like private health care employ mainly people from the uk or do they import as well.

[Andy3536]

socialised medicine?
Sounds like a polite way of talking about drugs for vd!
The NHS worked for years very well, it's only recently it's turned into a pile of crap!

[Sinizter]

Originally Posted by Andy3536

socialised medicine?
Sounds like a polite way of talking about drugs for vd!
The NHS worked for years very well, it's only recently it's turned into a pile of crap!

Hope you dont take this the wrong way, but how old are you and how much experience have you had with the NHS ? The answers would give perspective to your views on the NHS.

I personally refrain from commenting on previous performance on the NHS because I have only been in contact with it for the last 5 and a half years. Although from the first time I heard about the NHS I didnt think it was a model that could sustain itself with ever improving and more expensive medical and surgical procedures.

[YorkieBen]

Originally Posted by Sinizter

In that case,

Its a perfect system on paper. Everyone gets free medical care etc.

In reality its a pile of BS that needs increasingly immense amount of funding every year to keep it in the same place and to meet increasing social expectations which it is not in a position to deliver. The current NHS is lurching around like an old man who has been gutshot.

I'd rather have it than the american system.

although i agree that people expect too much of it, far too many things are provided that shouldnt be (e.g. multiple courses of IVF)

[Sinizter]

Originally Posted by YorkieBen

I'd rather have it than the american system.

although i agree that people expect too much of it, far too many things are provided that shouldnt be (e.g. multiple courses of IVF)

There are all kinds of stuff done on it which really would not be if things were prioritised. But there is this taboo against prioritising funding in medicine.

I would prefer not to foot the bill for politically correct medicine when it damn well would do fine with resource allocation and prioritisation in place.

But things are as they are and they are not going to change because any government who tried to reduce the range of treatments available in the NHS would be committing political suicide.

[Andy3536]

Originally Posted by Sinizter

Hope you dont take this the wrong way, but how old are you and how much experience have you had with the NHS ? The answers would give perspective to your views on the NHS.

I personally refrain from commenting on previous performance on the NHS because I have only been in contact with it for the last 5 and a half years. Although from the first time I heard about the NHS I didnt think it was a model that could sustain itself with ever improving and more expensive medical and surgical procedures.

I'm 26 and have broken more bones than i care to remember!
I have been to hospital many times over the past 24 years or so and it's only been bad for about the last 15 and really bad for the last 10.
The wards used to be clean and waiting times were minimal.
Visiting family members they were always comfortable and well looked after, and then the last few times for my great aunt (who unfortunatly died) She was left on her own alot, not always fed, and on 2 occassions was pressing the assistance button and no one answered.
Admittidly this is only the NHS service near me but that is a good idea of whats been happening over the last 20 odd years!