Max Mosely's proclivities

[Stewart]

Originally Posted by G4Z

The other thing that is pissing me off is that you are equating being head of the FIA as some sort of position of standing in public and really it isn't, no more than president of the local squash league. Would the president of a local squash league be a valid target for a sting like this?

Erm... but thats exactly the reason most people calling for him to go gave... he is the head of the FIA, the head of the FIA can not be seen to be behaving like this.

So it might be pissing you off, and you might not be able to see it, but a lot of other people can. Perhaps you could try looking harder?

[Stewart]

Jackie Stewart - "Max should now step down and be cut out of it totally.
His stewardship of the FIA simply cannot be undertaken in its fullest form because of what has occurred."

Former Minardi boss Paul Stoddart said that the FIA was "without credibility" if Mosley remained in charge.

"Various heads of state that go to Grands Prix don't want to be seen with him," Stoddart told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"The institution (FIA) is completely without credibility. The Crown Prince of Bahrain does not want Mosley in his country while the Australian prime minister refuses to have a meeting with him.

"There are big public companies that probably won't want to be associated with an institution that Mosley, having been exposed like this, has been representing and will continue to represent."

Considering as you lot rightly () point out, he has't done anything, all these people are behaving very oddly.

"Along with the Americans, the Japanese, French, Australian and Spanish automobile federations all voted against Mosley as did the German motoring federation ADAC - Europe's largest automobile organisation - who froze all its activities with the FIA."

More odd behaviour! Everyone seems to have it in their head that Max has done something humiliating.

Crazy, huh?

[badass]

Max should get booted out of the FIA for this simply for th embarassment caused. However his losses as a result should the the NOTW's liability.
In fact the FIA should also sue the NOTW for causing it embarrasement.

[father smurf]

they're probably just jealous they where not invited.

[G4Z]

Originally Posted by Stewart

All of you lot have explinations, of course, for the calls for him to quit, by various F1 team bosses, and other people within the world of motorsport.

I find it strange that so many people are calling for him to go... after all, as you lot say, he hasn't done anything even mildly interesting, strange or humiliating to either himself or the FIA.

They must all just be jealous or something.

Oh well, people are calling for him to go therefore that makes this invasion of privacy totally justified doesn't it?

Except that it doesn't at all, it has nothing to do with weather or not it was legal or moral for the NOTW to invade his privacy like that. It wasn't legal and the judge ruled accordingly, and I would argue it was also entirely immoral. For the record I also think the damages were derisory considering the damage they have probably done to his potential earnings and the sheer embarrassment factor of it all.

[Skii]

Ahh this would be the same newspaper that advertises videos and literature for said sexual activities.

Good old double standards alive and well in the worlds scummiest tabloid(bar the Mirror)

[Rave]

Originally Posted by schmunk

What are you doing in Skii's bedroom?

Cheap shot there schmunk. Skii is a homeowner; clearly I have no time for him.

Originally Posted by Stewart

Look, Rave, don't give us that crap. This was not a sneak photo of Max and his wife making sweet music in his bedroom, while some brainless NoTW hack films them. The dude is the Pres of the FIA, not some bloke off the street. And he was having an S&M sex orgy with 5 prostitutes.


Bloke of the street ----- President of the FIA.

Romantic love making with wife in bedroom ----- S&M orgy with 5 prostitutes.

Spot the subtle differences?

So, basically, you think that if you're a conventional chap who likes it in the missionary position once or twice a month your privacy is inviolable, but if you have a bit more of a sex drive and/or like a bit of kinkyness you're fair game?

Sorry, but I don't see it.

If you want to be a freedom warrior, then great.

Do you honestly think though, regardless of the nazi theme part not being true, that he should just carry on in his position?

Yes, I do.

That he hasn't humiliated himself and the FIA? That noone is going to care?

How, exactly, does his prediliction for kinky sex affect his ability to do his job? That's the crux of the matter.

My best friend (who I've known since I was 13; I'm now 29) is both bisexual and promiscuous. He's also very good at his job, and has been promoted accordingly. I don't see any reason why his out-of-hours behaviour should have any bearing on the job he's very good at.

Originally Posted by Stewart

Erm... but thats exactly the reason most people calling for him to go gave... he is the head of the FIA, the head of the FIA can not be seen to be behaving like this.

So it might be pissing you off, and you might not be able to see it, but a lot of other people can. Perhaps you could try looking harder?

Looking harder for what exactly? It's obvious what the problem is- it's that a bunch of moralistic misery guts have a problem with people freely expressing their sexuality. As a liberal, I have never, and will never, have a problem with that.

Originally Posted by Stewart

Jackie Stewart - "Max should now step down and be cut out of it totally.
His stewardship of the FIA simply cannot be undertaken in its fullest form because of what has occurred."

Former Minardi boss Paul Stoddart said that the FIA was "without credibility" if Mosley remained in charge.

"Various heads of state that go to Grands Prix don't want to be seen with him," Stoddart told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"The institution (FIA) is completely without credibility. The Crown Prince of Bahrain does not want Mosley in his country while the Australian prime minister refuses to have a meeting with him.

"There are big public companies that probably won't want to be associated with an institution that Mosley, having been exposed like this, has been representing and will continue to represent."

Considering as you lot rightly () point out, he has't done anything, all these people are behaving very oddly.

Not odd, just predictable moralistic reactionary toss.

"Along with the Americans, the Japanese, French, Australian and Spanish automobile federations all voted against Mosley as did the German motoring federation ADAC - Europe's largest automobile organisation - who froze all its activities with the FIA."

More odd behaviour! Everyone seems to have it in their head that Max has done something humiliating.

Crazy, huh?

Well pick sides, I guess. On the one side, small minded reactionaries. On the other, open minded people who accept human sexual diversity. I think it's telling that the Japs and Germans are wholeheartledly against the whole thing. Japan is the country were it's basically acceptable to grope women on tube trains, and where tentacle rape manga is acceptable reading material in public; Germany surely produces as many hardcore porn films as anywhere else in Europe.

It's a load of hypocrisy.

[schmunk]

Originally Posted by Rave

How, exactly, does his prediliction for kinky sex affect his ability to do his job? That's the crux of the matter.

My best friend (who I've known since I was 13; I'm now 29) is both bisexual and promiscuous. He's also very good at his job, and has been promoted accordingly. I don't see any reason why his out-of-hours behaviour should have any bearing on the job he's very good at.

The prediliction for kinky sex doesn't affect his ability to do his job. The fact that his prediliction for kinky sex is common public knowledge and the talk of many a dinner table is likely to have a significant effect on his ability to do his job.

Pre-publicity he would have been fine engaging in whatever acts he so chose, with whoever he so chose (and presumably was, for an extended period), but post-publicity he becomes a joke figure, the butt of innuendo, and therefore not suitable as the figurehead of a proud and business-like organisation.

There are many people who will not want to be seen (and particularly photographed) consorting with such a man, and when these people are a business' important clients (e.g. for the FIA, heads of oil-wealthy Arab states willing to pay vast sums of money to host Grand Prix), that is a serious problem for the business and one which must be addressed.

With regard to your best friend, there is no incompatibility between having an interesting sex life and being good at a job. However, promotions are usually not given simply on ability but also usually relate somewhat to the state of the relationship between appraiser and appraisee. If your friend comes up agianst (boom boom!) a manager who has strict views against such behaviour, and your friend's proclivities are known to this manager, your friend may face a difficult, if not impossible, task to proceed any further with a career in that organisation. Again, it's a question of publicity. If the private is kept private, no problem. If it becomes known at work, potential problem.

[Betty_Swallocks]

And that is exactly why the damages were far too low. In newspaper terms £60k is nothing. They probably spend more on boardroom lunches.

The effect that this affair has had and will have on his life is enormous. Basically the tabloid rag has ruined a man's career for the sake of selling a load of extra copies. His enemies (and a man in such a prominent postition is always going to have a few) have jumped on this as an excuse to do away with him.

[Stewart]

Originally Posted by Rave

It's a load of hypocrisy.

Well Rave, me old cocker, me old mucker, me old china, we will have to agree to disagree.

You think the President of the FIA can be caught with his balls in a vice and his cock in a pencil sharpener, with 5 hookers whiping him and calling him a dirty dog, and just carry on as if nothing has happened, he is not a figure of fun, has not lost all credability, has not humiliated himself, embarssed the FIA and generally made a bit of a twat of himself... me and most of the governing bodies of world motorsport do not.

I fail to see how Germanys production of harcore porn movies has any importance.

[G4Z]

Stewart, I can see your point about why people within his organisation might call for him to step down due to the negative publicity and embarrassment of the whole affair. I disagree with it and might call these people puritan tosspots but they are entitled to that opinion.

However, it still has absolutely nothing to do with the question about weather it was in the public interest to invade this individuals private life. None of this affects how he does his job until a tabloid goes and does this, ok NOW it might affect his job but it should never have been made public. It was a blatant invasion of privacy.

If you were the president of the local squash club and lets just say that you lived in Alabama or some other backwards state like Kansas, would it be ok for the local rag to invade your home and snap you and the missus doing it in anything other than missionary and then ruining your rep with all the local rednecks?

After all, as president of the squash league your a man in a visible community role and clearly girl on top is completely immoral and disgusting. Isn't it?

[Stewart]

Well yes, its not a black and white situation. What he has done makes it tricky, to say the least, to just carry on as FIA boss, the way we know about it wasn't double legal or moral... thats life.

I hate to use a cliche, but with great power comes great responsibility. He knew what would happen if he got caught doing this, via fair means or foul.

As for the Squash Club idea, if it makes you feel any better I'd be of the same opinion as you if the 5 whores were his wife, and the S&M orgy was just her on top.

Its not though... so I'm not though.

[G4Z]

Well, I am a liberal myself like Rave and I do not draw any distinction between sexual acts. So long as its all consensual then I don't see what business it is of anybody else's and I would say that even if it were a public figure I hated, like Tony Blair for instance. I do not recognise the authority of the news of the world or you or anybody else to say what is not moral and what is in the public interest when it comes to sexual behaviour. What happens behind closed doors is nobody's business but the people involved.

[Stewart]

It might not be anybodies buisness, but old Max would have known while he was doing what he was doing that if it every got out, he'd be in a bit of a situation, and it really wouldn't matter how it got out.

It has got out, he is in a bit of a situation... thats life I suppose.