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23-10-2009, 11:25 AM
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| Re: When does Faith become Child Abuse? Originally Posted by fuddam Pray for me then, I hear it's super-effective! Although not in all cases obviously. 
Originally Posted by Bertrand Russell
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23-10-2009, 12:48 PM
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| Re: When does Faith become Child Abuse? Originally Posted by JPreston oh, I have been for years. And is effective in all cases.
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23-10-2009, 05:40 PM
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| Re: When does Faith become Child Abuse? Except for those times when it isn't, like that study which wasn't blind, where the people who had people praying for them died..... If only it actually had any discernible effect. throw new ArgumentException (String, String, Exception) |
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23-10-2009, 07:39 PM
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| Re: When does Faith become Child Abuse? oh, I need to clarify: prayer isn't about getting what one wants - that's like treating Christ as one's personal servant, focusing on SELF - it's about focusing on Christ, and surrendering one's needs and desires to His greater knowledge, greater love, greater compassion, and being secure in that. The reward, regardless of outcome, is peace, contentment and stillness in one's heart. one only has to look at a person like Paul, who was tortured, beaten, flogged (5 times, at 39 lashes a time), imprisoned, etc, and yet said we must be joyful in ALL things. You'd no doubt consider him deranged, but the truth is he had that joy/peace/love/compassion in his heart. He didn't pray in futility to avoid his situation; but prayed that God's will be done. And it was, for the good of all 8-) EDIT: to be explicit about your example: those people dying - would you argue that them dying was NOT the will of God? Christ did not come to convert but to heal and to bring freedom |
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23-10-2009, 08:16 PM
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| Re: When does Faith become Child Abuse? I'd say when a child get sick, it should get the best possible medical treatment. Superstition and witch doctors aren't that. |
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23-10-2009, 11:43 PM
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| Re: When does Faith become Child Abuse? Originally Posted by fuddam No, because armed with my logical mind, which has the assumption that god exists no more than the tooth fairy, in the same vein that the tooth fairy isn't responsible for my loosing milk teeth as a child.
The answer was in my post, it wasn't a double blind study. You tell someone that they have some strangers praying for them, your telling them they are likely to die. In the same way you believe their is some super awesomely amazing god like thing, i believe in the power of the human mind, having had near death experiences myself I know that I was in fact having a reaction to an anaesthetic or i was tripping balls. I saw some really ****ed up stuff, i imagined i was been basically raped by a girl I fancied, to drowned in a pool whilst flying (sounds odd, made sense at the time). If someone had told me that I was so ill, all they could do was to pray, I'd give up there and then! throw new ArgumentException (String, String, Exception) |
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24-10-2009, 02:21 PM
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| Re: When does Faith become Child Abuse? Originally Posted by TheAnimus The moment you give your child nightmares because you told them they'd burn in hell if they didn't behave.
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24-10-2009, 05:10 PM
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| Re: When does Faith become Child Abuse? Originally Posted by aidanjt and got your theology totally screwed up, agreed.
Christ did not come to convert but to heal and to bring freedom |
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