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    Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    Way back in march there was a forum competition to win 1 of 3 Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual cards.

    well....

    an hour ago there was a knock at the door and a TNT van parked outside.

    I wonder what it could be? lets find out shall we?






    My intents for this review are to compare the Palit GTX 750 Ti against the Sapphire Vapor-X 7770 which I won in the last forum win 1 of 3 graphics competitions..
    This will probably be CPU bottlenecked and depending on the card size, obstruct some Sata ports, so will have to go in the PCI-E x8 slot and be throttled in that regards as well.
    But I have a plan (well a sister who's going to get the slower card as her birthday present) whos got an AMD 6 core and SSD with plenty of clearance around her Satas. I will have to wrench her away from LOTRO and minecraft though. which is not an easy task


    First things first, go and have a skim read through my last review for system details and general stuff about my computer and the AMD card. http://forums.hexus.net/reader-revie...70-review.html

    Theres only really been windows updates, couple of driver updates and catalyst updates since then, so the results should compare.

    talking of which. they'll pop up over the next week or so (once ive figured out how to swap from AMD to NVidia on an AMD chipsetted mobo)

    tally ho.....

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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    What's in the box then?

    the first thing we do, is to open the mystery box too see what's inside and how well packaged things are.



    ooh. massive bubbles!

    can't quite tell what else is inside. its written in some crazy upside down language. I'd better take it out the box and attempt to unravel its mysteries.





    oh. so that's what it is.

    Its a Palit Storm Dual GTX 750 Ti with 2048MB of GDDR5.

    there's more technical stuff on the other side of the box, but its too much effort to turn it over and take a photo. so lets see whats inside the box then..




    the card itself is inside some anti-static bubble wrap, and that was wedged between those cardboard supports you can see on the right.
    just a driver disk and a quick install guide are included.

    the AMD card at least had some adapter cables for the PSU, HDMI lead and a dvi adapter. so bonus points for AMD.

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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    FWIW, I installed an AMD card in an nVidia Windows 7 machine recently, but forgot to uninstall the nVidia drivers first. It worked fine, albeit at 1280*1024 or similar until I installed Catalyst.

    When I went back, I uninstalled Catalyst and same thing again. Point is, you shouldn't have any trouble - I've found it to be pretty effortless.

    Good work on the review so far

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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    What the Palit looks like



    its got 2 fans, so I guess that's where the Storm Dual in its name comes from.
    there will be a size comparison shot later with the AMD 7770, once I've found some games that show off the features properly and got the results for the 7770.

    I'll be attempting to see whether PhysX is worth it or not and which card does DX11 better.

    although in the Nvidia release notes for the 335.23 WHQL drivers it says:

    NVIDIA PhysX System Software - version 9.13.1220
    NVIDIA GPU PhysX acceleration is available only on systems with GeForce 8-series and later GPUs with a minimum of 256 MB dedicated graphics memory.
    NVIDIA GPU PhysX acceleration is not available if there is a non-NVIDIA graphics processor in the system, even if it is not used for rendering.
    so i'm wondering whether on my AMD motherboard chipset with onboard AMD graphics (albeit disabled in the BIOS), with AMD Phenom II CPU, whether the PhysX will work atall?
    it may detect the onboard as another AMD graphics processor and disable PhysX just out of spite.



    so, what connectors does it have? I hear you ask.



    DVI, mHDMI and a D Sub is what it has.

    as I only have a normal sized HDMI cable (from the AMD card), I can't test this slot. why isn't it full sized?
    its not like there's a lack of space on the dual slots, just look at the AMD connectors to see what can be crammed onto it.


    lets hope the card is actually any good to warrant its £113 price tag because for the connections and extra stuff, its not looking good so far.

    the 7770's are around £90 but have been replaced by the R7 something or another (not sure which one is the equivalent).

    so in my eyes they are still directly competing against each other



    If you had a oldish computer and it didn't run the newer games very well, then which is the better choice if you are on a budget of £120 and didn't want to do a full new system upgrade, is it worth just upgrading one component? will a new graphics card be the only thing you need to buy?
    AMD or NVIDIA?
    Lets get on with that shall we?

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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    Well that was an interesting weekend of testing the card.

    found out that for Crysis 2, the cdkey checker/activation website servers been moved, but the game on origin hasn't been updated to check the new server. so no longer works for single player or multiplayer. the 'fix' apparently is to buy Crysis 3, because that has better multiplayer anyhow.

    still cant figure out Crysis 1 benchmark but my onboard Radeon 3300 runs that, so why test it again


    At least I had some other games and benchmarks to test though. which were:

    Unigene Heaven
    Unigene Valley
    Far Cry 2
    Witcher 2
    Metro 2033
    3D Mark - Fire strike, cloud gate, ice storm


    so some old, some new.

    tested in the highest possible settings, and the notch below highest possible

    the results were surprising.


    (just need to make the fancy graphs and upload the photos. Then I need to get my sister to rip apart her machine to see whether my CPU is bottlenecking)

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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    How to swap from AMD TO NVidia the Stevie method

    before removing the AMD card got into control panel > programs and features >

    find the 'AMD Catalyst Install Manager' in the list of installed programs, and click 'change' at the top of the screen.

    choose the 'uninstall manager' - should be the top option, choose custom and remove all the installed graphics components.

    turn off computer, remove card, put in NVidia card.

    turn on, install drivers.


    Its that simple.


    although I'm probably overcomplicating it.
    Its just that because I'm on the AMD 780G chipset, I don't want to remove all of Catalyst. Part of it includes the chipset drivers, sata drivers, usb and so on. so my computer wouldn't work otherwise would it?
    not sure on this point, but don't want to risk it at the moment, maybe after a fresh widows install I will check whats actually needed. I've restarted/cold booted a few times after doing that method and its not showing any conflicts on startup, so I'm leaving it as is



    after the NVidia insertion and turn on, windows update detected the card and started downloading the latest drivers. I didn't notice until it was installing them (after the 260mb download) so couldn't stop it.

    I was just going to install the drivers from the NVidia website which as it turned out were the same ones anyway. so it all worked out in the end.

    so all you need to do with the NVidia card is just to plug it in, boot up, install drivers, reboot, job done.

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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    Comparing the cards



    the top view shows they are pretty identical in size, just the plastic shroud varies.




    but the bottom view shows a different picture. the board size is vastly different. so if you think about it - theres less to cool on the NVidia , with the same size fans, so it should run cooler shouldn't it and the fans not need to spin as fast so also be quieter




    Sapphire top, Palit bottom.
    another shot showing the different connectors available and also where dust bulds up on the AMD card.


    what isn't shown (and is rather important in deciding whether you want this card or not) PCI-E power connectors.
    the sapphire 7700 needs a 6pin connector
    the Palit 750 Ti doesn't, it runs from the power supplied via the PCI-E port itself.

    so If your oldish computer has a decent enough PSU but no PCI-E power connectors, fear not, this card will still work.
    the 7700 would as well - that's probably why it had the adapters included. but this palit is just neater.
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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    How I tested and Card Details

    my system details are in the other review linked here for your convenience

    its not changed much. I just 'modified' a sata cable with a craft knife so it would fit under the shroud of the AMD card, so it could be used in the PCI-e x 16 slot instead of the x8 slot.
    just driver updates, windows updates and a little bit of dusting.

    CPU cooler held on by cable ties, cables modified by craft knives - theres no window on the case and its down beside the desk. It doesn't have to be pretty, it just needs to work.

    _____________

    More card details can be found on the manufacturer websites (too much effort to do a side by side table comparison)

    Palit GeForce® GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual (2048MB GDDR5)


    SAPPHIRE HD 7770 GHz Edition OC 1GB GDDR5 VAPOR-X


    Palit 750 Ti Sapphire 7700
    DRAM Type GDDR5 GDDR5
    Graphics Clock Base Clock : 1202MHz / Boost Clock : 1281MHz 1100 MHz Core Clock
    Memory Clock 3004MHz (DDR 6008MHz) 5200MHz Effective



    slightly faster memory on the Palit and 2048mb instead of 1024mb,
    Open GL 4.4 instead of 4.2
    Direct x 11.2 instead of 11 (im sure I read that AMD were going to support 11.2 on the 7xxx and R7/9 cards that didn't already, could be mistaken though)


    The Sapphire 7700 was tested using the 14.4 Catalyst drivers http://support.amd.com/en-us/downloa...Windows+7+-+64

    The Palt 750 Ti was tested using the 335.23 drivers http://www.nvidia.co.uk/download/dri...px/73810/en-uk
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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    TEST RESULTS

    Unigene Heaven

    Downloaded from http://unigine.com/products/heaven/, installed to a separate hard drive to windows.

    For the High detail test, I set the API to DirectX 11, Quality to High, tessellation Off, Anti Aliasing x 8 and screen resolution to 1680x1050

    For the Extreme detail test, I set the API to DirectX 11, Quality to Ultra, tessellation On Extreme, Anti Aliasing x 8 and screen resolution to 1680x1050




    as I said earlier, the results were surprising.
    the extreme on the Ti 750 is faster than plain old High on the 7770. which shows that my 5 year old computer isn't bottlenecked in the slightest with modern graphics. also that stuff runs faster on newer cards


    Unigene Valley

    Downloaded from http://unigine.com/products/valley/

    For the High detail test, I set the API to DirectX 11, Quality to High, Anti Aliasing x 8 and screen resolution to 1680x1050

    For the Extreme detail test, I set the API to DirectX 11, Quality to Ultra, Anti Aliasing x 8 and screen resolution to 1680x1050



    and again. the 750 Ti is faster in Ultra quality than the 7700 in High Quality.

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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    Far Cry 2

    testing this game, because its an old game, so you can see whether just upgrading the graphics card in an old computer will make old stuff run quicker. (plus I don't have far cry 3)

    because I ran this exact test in the other review, I can include the catalysts 12.6 aswell as 14.4 results.

    FC2BenchmarkToll.exe is found in the /bin folder
    run on Ranch medium, 3 passes, results from the average section at the bottom of results page.

    For the High settings:
    anti aliasing x4, Direct 3D 10 , Render quality - overall quality set to High, Performance - fire, physics real trees set to high


    For the MAX! settings:
    anti aliasing x8, Direct 3D 10 , Render quality - overall quality set to Ultra High, Performance - fire, physics real trees set to Very high




    yeah... its faster again.

    plus updating drivers even makes older games run faster aswell. so even if newer drivers don't mention that the games improved then chances are it probably has anyway.


    Witcher 2

    no ingame benchmark so had to Use FRAPs
    same test as done in the 7700 review so can compare results again.

    heres the video from last time (first 30 seconds) of what I tested. its the arena fight 1 set on easy so I didn't die before the FRAPs 30 second benchmark had finished. the 500+fps on menus would skew the results a little bit.




    for High
    Under options on the launcher, change configuration set to high and disable vsync.

    for MAX Ubersampling off
    configuration set to Ultra, disable vsync, ubersampling disabled

    for MAX Ubersampling on
    configuration set to Ultra, disable vsync, texture memory size - very large. ubersampling enabled




    its probably because of the increase in texture memory size between the high and ultra settings, that the results are pretty much identical. so you might aswell run it in ultra instead of high if you have loads of graphics memory. it looks better and runs the same.

    although I would disable motion blur aswell. spinning around too fast makes you ill.

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    Metro 2033

    and now for a game that has PhysX too see whether NVidias GPU acceleration runs it faster than AMDs CPU acceleration.

    using metro2033benchmark.exe, found in the metro2033 folder in steamapps/common
    had to run it in administrator compatibility because it kept crashing when starting the test.

    every setting was set to the highest possible, and the cards tested with and without PhysX enabled at 1680x1050


    AMD 7700 results first.

    7770 with PhysX turned Off




    7770 with PhysX turned On





    NVidia 750 Ti

    750 Ti PhysX Off



    750 Ti PhysX On






    guess what?

    yup the 750 Ti is faster again.

    the surprising part of this was, that between the AMD and Nvidia, CPU vs GPU PhysX there was a 2fps drop off with both cards when PhysX was enabled.
    I would have thought the AMD because it was using the CPU to run it, would have gone a lot slower. maybe games don't use the CPU as much nowadays so there was plenty of core usage left to be able to run the PhysX.


    what was noticeable though, was watching the demos between the 2 cards. the proper NVidia PhysX looked a lot lot more explosioney and real compared to the AMDs. its just something you need to see for yourself, its indescribable (by me anyway).

    and if you look at the 2 graphs with PhysX on. you can see where the AMD is smoother overall and the NVidia is more jaggedy, so PhysX makes it slightly judderier, but you don't notice because, explosions!

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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    3D Mark

    I Downloaded via Steam http://store.steampowered.com/app/223850/ - click download demo.

    other locations are available http://www.futuremark.com/benchmarks/3dmark


    I just ran the default benchmark test, that's all I could do on the demo version.

    Sapphire 7700 results http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3047359?

    Palit 750 Ti results http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3048268?

    and in handy table form:

    Radeon 7700 NVidia 750 Ti
    Fire Strike 1.1 2735 3973
    Cloud Gate 1.1 8693 10064
    Ice Storm 1.2 79652 84757

    the Ti 750 is faster again. although i'm sure by now you already knew that



    and you know what I forgot to do in all this testing. was to check what temperature both cards got to at idle and load. whoops.
    the 750 Ti is currently at 25C with 30% fan speed ambient of 19C if it helps.
    could barely hear any of the cards during any of the tests so the twin GPU fan setup is quiet and cool.

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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    FINAL THOUGHTS

    back at the start of October 2012 I was perfectly happy with my computer, running a Radeon 4870. then I won the 7770 which doubled my FPS in pretty much everything. I was ecstatic and overjoyed. then I was perfectly happy to never have to upgrade this system again until it either broke completely or it would be silly not to, maybe in another 3 or 4 years time.

    then I ended up winning this Ti 750 and it all changed again.

    if it wasn't for me having to test it as part of the competition requirements, my sister would've just got it wrapped up for her birthday and I wouldn't have known whether it was faster or not.
    as it was, I had to review it and my sister would have to wait for her present.

    I honestly thought that with my now 5 year old CPU and DDR 2 memory that they would've been a bottleneck for this card and the FPS wouldn't increase as much as it has. I thought they were bottlenecking the 7700 when I won that aswell. but without another new card to test at the time, I would've kept thinking that for years to come.

    now.. who knows what is the limiting factor anymore?
    do we even need to upgrade motherboards, ram and CPUs ?
    just get a faster graphics card and SSD, imho you don't need to upgrade anything else if you are just gaming. from what ive read, they seem to be moving towards GPU acceleration and processing for tasks. so even with a slow pokey CPU you wont notice anymore.


    so if you do have an old computer, old being over 4 years or a couple or more architecture generations old. and you want to upgrade it, just get a graphics card for around the £120 mark, buy an SSD and be happy for another 4 years or so


    This Palit GeForce® GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual (2048MB GDDR5) gets 8/10 Panda paws.

    loses 1 paw because you don't get any bundled games , just ingame currency for Warface®, Path of Exile, and Heroes of Newerth.
    loses 1 paw because the AMD card came with some cables and adapters fior power and DVI, the palit doesn't. the 7700 was the same price as the 750 Ti when I got it so its a fair assessment. if multi-monitoring check what extra cables/adapters you'll need.



    Theres still the 7700 in my sisters machine to test, and another surprise which I didn't get around to last time.
    but that's it for now.

    go and read the other 2 reviews (linked here when theyre posted up) from the other 2 winners to see how they got on.



    see you next time I win (which probably wont be that long, this was he 5th thing i've won from HEXUS )

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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    If you didn't win the graphics card I would of said you need to be paid for the work you have done, some good tests that are well presented. Cheers for the review.

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    Re: Palit GTX 750 Ti StormX Dual - review by Stevie

    Nice review dude! You are putting the rest of us to shame ;-)

    Just got mine up and running.

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