Thanks for the comments, guys.
Can't even see that for sale anywhere? Is the Intel Core i7 4770 that bad value?
That's a massive pain. Also involves downtime unlike a new build.
As per the thread - Novatech PowerStation 400W and ASUS P8H67-I deluxe. I really want a fresh start - what are the benefits to upgrading??
My main requirement is more RAM anyway and having 4 slots would help.
As I've already stated, spinning disk aren't even in the same room.
Any ideas for alternatives? And I still have no idea about the case...
A few points.
An ivy bridge cpu would be more cost effective than a haswell as you don't have to factor in the additional cost of a new motherboard, the haswell doen't have any major benefits over the ivy, the i7-3770 and i7-4770 basically cost the same (within £1-2) now the haswell does have a slightly better gpu and a slightly better performance per mhz, ie both at the same speed the 4770 gets about a 5% performance boost.
However you'd need to add on £80-100 for a new motherboard of the same level as your current one, which is adding nearly 50% to the cost of just the cpu.
What case have you currently got?
What cpu cooler?
ps no mITX motherboard has 4 ram slots that I know of, so you'd have to go larger, mATX at least.
A large passive cpu cooler and a small mITX case don't mix, you could get a large mITX case and passive cooler, but then you'd probably be better off with a smaller mATX case.
While the xeon cpu's are good, basically a slightly cheaper i7 non-k without the ondie gpu, you're currently looking at using the ondie gpu so an i7 non-k would probably be the best option for a new system.
In all honesty I think an upgrade rather than a new build is the better route, cheaper, you don't lose anything much in spec, the only real down side it a bit of time and effort/down time.
However it'll be less time than building a new system from scratch, the time to physically build it will not be that much different but it's the time installing a new copy of windows, all the updates and all your software that you're not having to do.
If you're currently on a hard disc and want to move to an ssd then there's plenty of ways to reimage from the hard drive to an ssd which will still be far quicker than a full reinstall.
crucial do a separate upgrade kit http://uk.crucial.com/ProductDisplay...&storeId=10153
the main disadvantage to upgrading your current system is that motherboard only uses sodimm's so you're limited to 16gb ram http://www.scan.co.uk/products/cmso16gx3m2c1600c11 and I'm not sure if it can even use 8gb sodimm sticks, so you might be limited to 2x4gb for 8gb
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Regarding your storage choice - you say you have a file server but do you intend on using the SSD as your scratch disk for video editing? Things may have changed since I fitted my SSD but I believe it isn't advisable to use an SSD for this due to the large number, and size, of writes as it degrades the SSD faster. You may already be aware and just haven't posted a HDD or perhaps the fileserver can transfer data fast enough for this (don't know that much about them).
As for the GPU, lots of applications use GPU acceleration so I'd definitely get even a modest card to aid with this. There are several passive cards you could use.
I'm more than happy to pay more if it means I get a new motherboard especially as I'll get some return for selling the old. Isn't Haswell lower power too? i.e. cheaper to run and less heat?
Stock cooler, Lian Li PC-Q07B case.
I thought I said I wanted to run aATX instead of mITX?
I'm going to reinstall Windows anyway so that's not an issue. And I find building a new system is quicker than faffing with remounting a new CPU.
An alternative to the Thor's Hammer. Looks funky too:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/nofan...l-and-amd-cpus
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Agree with Pob255. A Xeon passively cooled in a nice mATX case is the best way forward (Ivy Bridge based Xeon to avoid MoBo change).
Also if the dedicated GPU is not going to do much in your build due to lack of software support, i7 CPUs with IGP are the next logical step for you. Also I am having an Intel HD 2500 (6 shaders of pure power) IGP, running two monitors plus playing even WoW at 1680x1024 (everything down to "Fair" but who cares) so for your proposed needs I would say an IGP is enough. Unless your software of choice will take full advantage of a dedicated GPU if one will be available so the CPU can be assigned to different tasks.
If you with to see some local reports about CPU encoding video, take a look at the Handbrake list we have.
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http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/3Rudo
For cooler go Nofan CR-80EH for £35.
For storage you already have an SSD.
For GPU I say stay with the IGP till need arises for a dedicated GPU.
For optical drive basically anything that does what you needs, cheapest Samsung DVD-RW is just fine.
The proposed build contains a PSU, if you trust your current PSU, just excluded the proposed one.
For HDD I would say look for some 2.5" normal HDDs for noise reduction (they are really quiet), if is takes that just buy external commercial 2.5" HDDs in caddy and just remove the HDD (cheaper that way by a LOT). If not, start to look for some ways to reduce the noise of normal HDDs. I have two 7200RPM 2.5" HDDs in a silent case with passive CPU cooling, no dedicated GPU and case fans at 700-800RPM and I can barely hear the HDDs over the FANs during a quiet night.
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Thanks, for listening when I've said I've said over and over I have a strong preference for a new build. New case, new mobo, new PSU, new CPU Are Xeons really much better value than i7s? Are there any cons?
Is that really the cheapest case? I don't care about aethetics at all, just noise.
I'm happy to skip the GPU for now (software is Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop, etc.)
Again, NAS is in another room so HDD noise is not an issue.
Final thing - how quiet is that PSU?
If you want to do a full new build just for the sake of it, yeah sure go for it! We are just insisting that its not the best approach from a value per performance perspective as the overall power of intel CPUs hasn't significantly improved in the last 3 or 4 generations.
There is actually a reasonable benefit to be had from using a GPU with those pieces of software as they allow some of the processing to be passed on it rather than the CPU.
With Xeons what you get is better power efficiency, less heat, ECC RAM support (although i think you can do this even with pentium now?) for less money than the i7/i5 equivalent. On the downsides, there is no overclocking options or onboard GPU.
I thought they were usually more expensive. And I think no GPU rules them out for me. And aren't the mobos more or can they also use normal i7 mobos?
I guess all I need to find now is a cheaper case that will fit that cooler...
Okay, so I think I'm getting somewhere but does anyone have ideas for the case?
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Any ideas so I can get this done?
Nobody?
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