News - Hardcore Computer offers total liquid submersion for a mere $4,500

[HEXUS]

We've seen oil-submersed cooling solutions before, but never has it been so readily accessible to the consumer.

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[Hicks12]

What? did i read that right? it is using oil? thats not new, look on you tube and you will see. Its just like water cooling but safer and is better then the youtube attempt where its pumped in and out for cooling hter oil down. 4,5k isnt work it sorry.

[Funkstar]

Surprisingly affordable at $4,500?

riiiiiight.

[Infinite]

Looks good.

And yeah, it is cheap.

Home made jobs dont come with a warranty and support and probably wont look as good as this anyway...

[0iD]

That's one to take round the LANs...on a forklift.

[MadduckUK]

another great idea to separate the stupid and there money

"hardcore computers - because we Gently Caress you."

[Zadock]

Perhaps I'm the only biologist here but... biodegradeable oil, heated up to around 40-50 degrees in a run sounds like an absolute haven for microorganisms. There'll be lovely big chunks of fungi and god know what else floating around in there after a while unless they are going to include something to provent it in which case the oil will probably toxic.

[wapps]

HOLY CR*P.... lol

That is some beast of a machine.

I think I may save everythin from now until early next year to get one of these beasts.

Will be good to see if they implement the new i7 into the machines.

Bit pointless spending that much money if they don't =/ though im sure they will =]

Anyone else had to re-read that a few times jsut to take the 'Completely Submerged' phrase, I know I did...

[PeterStoba]

Am I the only one who thought hardcore computer had gone bust because of the thread title until I re-read it

If you're really thinking of sinking around $5,000, we'd recommend you wait just a few more weeks as we'd expect to see a Core i7 option appear on Reactor's configuration pages in the near future.

but when i7 is out, and you get an i7 system submerged like this, it's going to cost even more...

[kingpotnoodle]

I'll have to check CustomPC when I get home, but I have a hunch the "quote" on Hardcore's reviews tab is actually an excerpt from what CPC wrote about the Armari XCP, I don't remember ever seeing the Hardcore machine mentioned in the mag (I am a subscriber, every month I read it so...).

[Webby]

Unmatched cooling capabilities—Core Coolant absorbs 10x more heat than air and circulates through our Delphi-certified radiator at 2.5 gallons/minute

I like the way they claim the liquid has 10x the heat capacity of air, which means that it has a specific heat of 10 J/gK (Joules per gram Kelvin) or to say it in plain speak you require 10 Joules of energy to raise the temperature of 1 gram of the material by 1 Kelvin (which is the same as 1°C). Now water has a specific heat of 4.18 (air is ~1) and is about as good as you can get in liquid form (3M have some funky liquids which are better but cost $100's per gram) so basically I find it hard to except they have a fluid which can do what they claim.

Edit: Having thought about it a bit more maybe they are saying that a case full of liquid can hold 10x the energy of a case full of air which means the liquid will have a specific heat of ~1 much like air but due to the density difference be able to absorb more energy. This does of course mean that water cooling is better the only advantage submersion will have is cooling everything circuit boards the lot.

[kalniel]

This news article got me in trouble at work. Stupid name for a company.

[moogle]

I like the way they claim the liquid has 10x the heat capacity of air, which means that it has a specific heat of 10 J/gK (Joules per gram Kelvin) or to say it in plain speak you require 10 Joules of energy to raise the temperature of 1 gram of the material by 1 Kelvin (which is the same as 1°C). Now water has a specific heat of 4.18 (air is ~1) and is about as good as you can get in liquid form (3M have some funky liquids which are better but cost $100's per gram) so basically I find it hard to except they have a fluid which can do what they claim.

Exactly, I wonder what it could be. I doubt it's actually 10x the s.h.c.of air though. The sentence could mean that it just carries 10x the amount when running at that pump speed though. Sneaky wording...

[PeterStoba]

As Kalniel says, it's cooling literally everything, ram, pcb and stuff, so the performance is decreased, so is it any better than water cooling?

[Webby]

Exactly, I wonder what it could be. I doubt it's actually 10x the s.h.c.of air though. The sentence could mean that it just carries 10x the amount when running at that pump speed though. Sneaky wording...

Yeah see my edit (if you haven't already).

Having had a look at the patent they filed, it suggests they are using a mineral oil.

Dielectric liquids that can be used in this type of immersive cooling system include, but are not limited to: Engineered fluids like 3M.TM. Novec.TM. Mineral oil Silicone oil Natural ester-based oils, including soybean-based oils Synthetic ester-based oils

Depending on what they are actually using will obviously effect the heat capacity but my guess is it will be around 1.6 J/gK

In my opinion the targeted cooling from a decent watercooling set up will be superior, we will ave to wait and see if the are any reviews I guess!

[moogle]

Yeah see my edit (if you haven't already).

Having had a look at the patent they filed, it suggests they are using a mineral oil.



Depending on what they are actually using will obviously effect the heat capacity but my guess is it will be around 1.6 J/gK

In my opinion the targeted cooling from a decent watercooling set up will be superior, we will ave to wait and see if the are any reviews I guess!

Lol mineral oil

I was thinking it was goinna be some magic new substance
It'd be nice to see some reviews but being a $5k machine we won't be seeing many reviews.

It does look nice but what happens when it's time to upgrade? WC FTW for now