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Read more.The PC giant offers version downgrade, saving you $150, as buyers shun Windows 8.
That doesn't surprise me at all. I work in a large organisation with 2000+ IT users and we have pretty much stayed clear of Windows 8 much in the same way we completely ignored Vista and Windows ME. The only platform we use Windows 8 on is the odd tablet here and there.
They tried to turned PC to media consumption toys and forgot people actual do things with them. Good move HP, now bring back 16:10 screens. Add a little more pixel density. Like an IPS 1440x900 13inch laptop screen standard. Buttery smooth great touchpad standard. Make a better PC not just tabletify a PC. And I think you be on the right track.
Continued from above. Also find the right mix of more is more and less is more. Skip the expensive ultra book processor and use standard laptop processor. Leave off VGA output, leave off cd slot, leave off touch screen. Include more built in battery, great keyboard, great video camera and microphone. Shrink the external power supply charger. Try a model like this and you will see it will be the most popular sales laptop, if you get the pricing right.
Oh. HP take a one step forward than just offering Window 7. Microsoft still getting paid and consumers get the short end of the stick. Offer more no OS installed options on new PC's. Send the message that you value your customers more than you value Microsoft.
Microsoft, I hope you're listening because THIS here is a clear indication that a lot of people doesn't want Windows 8 on their PCs and laptops.
We've got a choice here - most folks are on Windows 7, but that's because possibly IT support are advising that some of the corporate software doesn't work properly with Windows 8. Oh, and the Windows 8 build is obviously not as well developed as the Windows 7 one.Originally Posted by Lister
So basically what you want is a "budget" laptop then. Thought everyone was trying to kill off ye olde VGA output because HDMI or DP were more "up to date" (plus smaller, and you can get converters anyway).
HP - like Dell - does do Linux kit, but you've got to look very, very, very hard - and basically they're positioned as business-only. While I agree with you about the desirability of a "give me the hardware only" system, problem is what do you do about support? You can guarantee that some muppet will buy one of these and either bitch that they can't do anything with it, or complain that there's no drivers for Some-wierd-OS-you've-never-heard-of. Although the answer to that last point is to offer drivers for Fedora, Debian/Ubuntu and Suse, plus ideally source for those folks running Gentoo, Arch, etc.
People want choice - even a no-cost 7/8 choice. Although, I'll point out that this probably isn't anything more than a PR stunt. But hey, if it means we can get a machine cheaper then I'm not going to complain.
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A choice that Microsoft have taken away by removing 7 from the retail channels.
I just bought a laptop for home from PCSpecialist. I wanted to spend a decent amount to get a fast system, but have no interest in my money being sunk into aesthetics, touch-screens, or a potent graphics card (this laptop isn't for gaming, though maybe later this year I'll go there!).
Hopefully my desire for the system I want (and none of the gubbins I don't want) will pay off. For me, none of the off-the-shelf options was suitable, HP included, and a few windows 8 machines were specced close to what I wanted but I was put off by the operating system and touch screen.
That, and avoiding the mess of having to retrain everyone in the company in how to use Windows 8's wacky and schizophrenic dual-UI paradigm and the MUI train-wreck in general.We've got a choice here - most folks are on Windows 7, but that's because possibly IT support are advising that some of the corporate software doesn't work properly with Windows 8. Oh, and the Windows 8 build is obviously not as well developed as the Windows 7 one.
Learn Microsoft, Learn!
They've dealt with that - there's self-training courses available on the corporate training system - that said "MUI=train wreck" isn't a comment I'm necessarily going to argue with. Being able to freely choose which OS you run is so empowering - Windows7, Windows8, Ubuntu, Suse, Fedora - and know that Corporate IT support them all.
Just a shame that we don't offer a similar breadth of choice to Joe Public.
(And I won't say who I work for - because it might be pretty obvious)
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AHA!
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I wouldn't say MUI was the train wreck. It's decent at what it's aimed at.
The train wreck is the marketing, trying to force it on desktop users. That, in my opinion at least, was a train-wreck of epic proportions. I'd have thought that after Vista, MS would have known better, and that a bad reaction is easy to trigger, and extremely hard to shake off. And believe me, the incredibly cynical way the "start button" was put back in 8.1 merely locked in the disdain. I hope MS marketing has got the message. But for me at least, It's not pretty much already too late. I've upgraded several of my MS machines .... but not to 8. To Linux. And OpenOffice, etc. And that comes from someone that's been an MS user and fan since before Windows 1 was even a twinkle in Bill's eye.
And crossy .... I don't expect an answer on this. But I am still angry, and very bitter, at MS for the way MUI was shoved at us. Forgiveness will not be forthcoming from me any time soon. If ever.
wow. that's a while ago! My (families) first PC was 3.11 - I just to be a DOS wizz kid, but those days are long gone.... dont take away my GUI !
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Hopefully windows 9 keeps the start button and the boot to desktop options available - although the popular mobile OS' have home screens like MUI, copying ...sorry, imitating it... was foolish as it took away what you actually used a computer for: multiple apps at once, full featured applications, and more!
I was working for a major computer company with equipment for banks etc, based on proprietary OSs, when DOS-based OSs replaced them, and I went to the US for a while to train up, to help the transition when DOS-based hardware started arriving here. It was, oh, a couple of years later when we first started experimenting with Windows-based software, but a while after that before anything practical was done with it.
And I don't want to lose my GUI either, and certainly not for a MUI better suited to, and designed for, touch screens. Maybe it ought to have been called TSUI?
The simple solution is just "don't use the MUI".
A simpler solution would have been for MS to have given us that option, to select, maybe at install time, "classic mode or Metro" in the first place. Or failing an install option, a simple menu selection to switch it on or off. If numerous third parties can offer free or cheap utilities to do it, it can't have been beyond MS's wit to do it.
The biggest reason I'm angry at them is that they tried to force us to use MUI, like it or not, for their benefit, not that of desktop users.
And, given the absence of a Start8-type patch or free utility from MS, I don't see them as having yet got the message. So be it. It's why I've gone largely Linux, and still use MS only where, mainly for legacy reasons, I have no choice, but then, I wasn't about to upgrade those machines to Win7, let alone Win8, anyway.
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