Read more.Core i5-4200H and GeForce GTX 760 in an itty-bitty mini PC.
Read more.Core i5-4200H and GeForce GTX 760 in an itty-bitty mini PC.
Seems such a waste putting the 760 in there. They really should have gone with a 750 Ti although i can presume when they started development for this the 750 Ti wasn't out yet.
Lets be honest guys, a full sized desktop GPU is not going to fit into the form factor for another couple generations. These products are just DAFT for what they claim they are.
I would prefer a more constant gaming experienced at slightly lower image quality or a slower (but reliable FPS).
If only Nvidia and AMD made chips designed for tight power and thermal constraints. Well, if they ever do they should really single this chips out with an "M" beside the product number...
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If they made it just a bit bigger, they could sort out the cooling issues. Or they could use the 'M' chips. Will be interesting to see who does one of these things first.
Was intrigued and genuinely excited until I read about the throttling. Pairing that CPU and GPU would make a perfect mid level gaming PC to be plugged into a TV, but that much throttling is just unforgivable.
Simple fact is that much power can't work in such a small box - Should have made it slightly bigger and put 120mm fans in on a push pull config.
Not many tech companies seem to have cracked the SFF market that successfully. Apple springs to mind with the Mini (which badly needs updating to Haswell and is not really suitable for gaming) and Asrock with their Mini PC series.
Problem as well with these is that you are paying premium ultrabook prices for a product that may well be based around ultrabook components but does not have the portablity or come with a screen.
I would be interested in what could be done with a AMD APU + Discrete card running Crossfire across both GPU's, for gaming in theory it should make for a faster box with similar power and thermal characteristics?
The other thing I noticed on this was it had MSATA, surly a M.2 PCI-E slot would have been a better choice?
Looks good though as said this is a good foundation, a Broadwell / Skylake variant should be a tidy little LAN / Media box.
I would of liked to have seen the difference between this version and the AMD one they have on offer (GB-BXA8G-8890). I might be interested in getting one of these but it seems very few of them have AMD options. What I want to use it for has little need for the more expensive Intel processors.
EDIT: Seems a quick search doesn't bring up any store options for the AMD version which is highly annoying. I don't know where the problem lies but the lack of availability of AMD hardware is hard to deny, even though I want a laptop with AMD's latest APU I struggle to find them (you can find them 6 months after release but that is very bad use of marketing hype) and its worse for these mini-PC systems.
Crying out for water cooling?
Like others have mentioned - a 750Ti might have been a better fit - cooler and lower power draw but then designing and building these things take time and in the designing stage, a 750Ti probably wasn't even announced.
I won't be surprised if they do a refresh update and offer a 750Ti model. Or how about a mobile GPU instead? There are some high end mobile GPU models - like the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M SLI - yes that's a laptop GPU in SLI which might handle the heat better?
I thought it was a good start. Using the lid as one large heatsink would have been better as iirc the GPU board could be screwed directly onto the lid with the fans blowing over the top/underneath. A riser would then attach it to the mobo. Just an idea.
I think your comments on the CPU are pushing it a little. Can a dual core CPU (even one with hyper-threading) really be considered 'mid to high end' in a gaming PC with a £180 graphics card? How does the performance compare to a basic Quad Core i5 (such as the £130 i5-4460)?
It does seem an excessive reduction in size. With Mini ITX gaming systems coming in at around 10-15 litres there'd definitely be a market for something around 3-5 litres. Although that's substantially bigger than the 0.9 litres of this machine it would still be a worthwhile reduction in size while hopefully allowing the machine to operate at full pelt.
Oh, and an internal power supply is a must. External power supplies are another example of trying to downsize too much and ending up with a worse product than something marginally bigger. I'm sure they have their use where the thinner DC cable is easier to hide but for a standard desktop a power brick is the greater evil.
Maybe another NUC case bolted to the bottom with a rad, pump and res feeding a loop in there would sort the heat issue. Even two of those things together are still smaller than the average console.
I've seen smaller cases watercooled.
Any room for extra fans?
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