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    AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    CEO Dr Lisa Su was pictured holding a Fiji GPU package at Computex yesterday.
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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    $849?

    AMD not competing on price this time then
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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    $849?

    Holy crap, unless this thing is nigh on 75% faster than a 980Ti then AMD has lost the bloody plot!

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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    $849?

    AMD not competing on price this time then
    Well, that's the higher card of the 2 hbm's, the fury pro (which is also hbm) will prob be closer to 600-750$ or so. hbm memory will prob be the same for pro and X, it will be down to crippling of the processing units or textures units or something ^_^ my guess at least. i will be aiming to get a pro, im sure it will still be a best of a card.

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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    $849?

    Holy crap, unless this thing is nigh on 75% faster than a 980Ti then AMD has lost the bloody plot!
    If it is faster than 980Ti at all then it is also faster than Titan X, and the pricing in that part of the market never really made sense

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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    Graphics card pricing is just ludicrous now.
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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    Well the package shot shows the 4 stacks of HBM around the GPU die quite nicely.

    Also confirms that these will be 4GB gfx cards (as using HBM 1.0 so 1GB per stack).

    So $800+ for a gfx card with only 4GB of VRAM, doesn't market that well considering the 980 Ti and Titan.

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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanoe View Post
    So $800+ for a gfx card with only 4GB of VRAM, doesn't market that well considering the 980 Ti and Titan.
    Sadly, you're probably right - that's marketing for you.

    The whole judging a card by its RAM size debacle really should've been put to bed by now. Fiji will have bandwidth to spare and use the delta compression that makes the R9 285 so capable with only 2GB of RAM. 4GB is so not going to be an issue. But apparently it's worth sticking 4GB of RAM on a 96-shader fermi-based card, so what do I know...

    (and just in case I get called for unfairly singling out nvidia, this is just about as bad)

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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanoe View Post
    So $800+ for a gfx card with only 4GB of VRAM, doesn't market that well considering the 980 Ti and Titan.
    ......and it's a very worrying design decision.

    The bandwidth from HBM will mean that in theory it should be the best 4K card available....but then as you increase resolution, VRAM requirements go up.....for AMDs sake, most games at 4K will not need texture size reduced or other standard features disabled to make the game work within 4GB VRAM.

    Could be a bit of a disaster if the card performs worse than a 980Ti in many games at 4K for no other reason than overfilling VRAM.
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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    Quote Originally Posted by iranu View Post
    Graphics card pricing is just ludicrous now.
    Totally agree. In 2011 I paid £200 for AMDs second-rung card ie my (now venerable) HD 6950. I was able to unlock this to a 6970 ie the fastest available GPU they had at the time.

    In 2015 it looks like I'll have to pay upwards of £500 for AMD's second-rung card.

    What the hell has happened? Tech stuff usually gets relatively cheaper! Doesn't it?

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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    Quote Originally Posted by Nobull View Post
    Totally agree. In 2011 I paid £200 for AMDs second-rung card ie my (now venerable) HD 6950. I was able to unlock this to a 6970 ie the fastest available GPU they had at the time.

    In 2015 it looks like I'll have to pay upwards of £500 for AMD's second-rung card.

    What the hell has happened? Tech stuff usually gets relatively cheaper! Doesn't it?
    6950 was no-where near the price of a 6970, the fact you were able to unlock it is neither here nor there.....that was just one-off piece of luck that meant you got a £400 for £200.

    Exchange rates were quite different then as well, which meant the UK got hardware cheaper.

    The 6950/6970 also did not have any first-gen special "expensive to fab" parts like the Fiji cards are going to have.


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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    Also dont forget that up till the 6 series there was a change in fab process node as well to the previous generation that would help keep costs under control but we have have now had the 6, 7 and R9 all getting bigger between generations but all on the same process node so the cost to produce has been going up.

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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    ......and it's a very worrying design decision.

    The bandwidth from HBM will mean that in theory it should be the best 4K card available....but then as you increase resolution, VRAM requirements go up.....for AMDs sake, most games at 4K will not need texture size reduced or other standard features disabled to make the game work within 4GB VRAM.

    Could be a bit of a disaster if the card performs worse than a 980Ti in many games at 4K for no other reason than overfilling VRAM.
    From http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/665...w/index13.html

    Now I am interested in the 285 results here, because that has the texture compression that gets mentioned in Carizzo and Fury.

    This graph seems typical:



    The 2GB 285 is holding its own with the 3GB 280. The leap to the 4GB 290 is not that impressive, looks about on par with the fact that the 290 has more shaders not that the lower cards have hit a memory wall. Nothing to see here, moving along...



    Here the 285 is clearly struggling with only 2GB of VRAM in a game that is punishing all the cards. However, here the 3GB 280X isn't hurting so bad so it looks like 3GB without compression is on the edge.

    So it looks to me like 4GB with compression should be fine for a few years. At the point 4GB looks iffy, these cards will look silly vs 10nm fabbed ones anyway.

    The paranoid may think that Nvidia will be trying to use gameworks to up the vram requirements of games to make their cards look better, but that would hurt the 970 first so that would be dumb and I can't see it happening.

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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    The paranoid may think that Nvidia will be trying to use gameworks to up the vram requirements of games to make their cards look better, but that would hurt the 970 first so that would be dumb and I can't see it happening.
    Colour ciphering with a key that only nVidia cards have to enable them to compress while AMD use more bandwidth

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    Re: AMD to launch its HBM graphics cards on 16th June

    And it is the 970 that makes me wonder about VRAM size on these.....3.5GB was not enough for many people even at 1080p in some newer games.

    As textures get more detailed (which they will as larger textures become the norm, which they are) they will not compress as well....I think the benchmarks for games like Shadows of Mordor should give us a clear idea.....lets hope we get those benchies soon.
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    4GB would be enough for me like but whoahhhhh at the price tag. Looks like I will be sitting out yet another generation.

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