Vista Annoyances

[[GSV]Trig]

Is there a way of making this damned OS realise your an admin and know what your doing, seems it wants to run and install things as a normal user which some things dont like, you have to run them as an administrator..

I AM A BLOODY ADMINISTRATOR!!!!


Also can I stop it warning me about turning UAC off...

[tigerboyce]

UAC is very good after you get used to it, but i dont think you can turn it off.

As for the administrator, Right click the programmes icon, Click properties, Click the compatability tab, and tick, run this programme as administrator. then it wont ask you again.

[ikonia]

yup, you can turn it off, its hidden in the control pannel under the "users" - its very well hidden though.

Is this thread not better in "OS application support" as its nothing to do with software development ?

[[GSV]Trig]

Erm, yes probably, late nite


Cant get coretemp to run full stop, errors..
TAT dont work either so not sure what temps are like atm..

[ikonia]

what version of vista are you using ? what hardware platform ?

[dangel]

Turn off UAC: Press Windows + R, type "msconfig", press return, select tools, scroll down to 'turn off UAC' and run it. Reboot.

Make Windows Security Center less annoying: open it up (double click it's tray icon) and click "change the way security center alerts me". Choose what you will..

Not that I endorse turning off UAC, nor running everything as administrator. Vista is actually pretty good when it comes to 'choice' tho - there's a lot of tweaking allowed.

[imroberts]

Turn off UAC: Press Windows + R, type "msconfig", press return, select tools, scroll down to 'turn off UAC' and run it. Reboot.

Make Windows Security Center less annoying: open it up (double click it's tray icon) and click "change the way security center alerts me". Choose what you will..

Not that I endorse turning off UAC, nor running everything as administrator. Vista is actually pretty good when it comes to 'choice' tho - there's a lot of tweaking allowed.

This is one thing that annoyed the hell out of me when I, briefly, used Vista (at the moment I have a fully licenced copy sat on the shelf at the side of my monitor)

Glad to see the alert can be disabled via the Security Centre. This is something that I failed to find too!

[charleski]

seems it wants to run and install things as a normal user which some things dont like, you have to run them as an administrator..

Is this thread not better in "OS application support" as its nothing to do with software development ?

Poor software development practices are the real PITA when it comes to UAC. Developers are slowly starting to adjust, and the UAC annoyance is useful as a spur to encourage them.

[dangel]

This is one thing that annoyed the hell out of me when I, briefly, used Vista (at the moment I have a fully licenced copy sat on the shelf at the side of my monitor)

Glad to see the alert can be disabled via the Security Centre. This is something that I failed to find too!

Yeah - I really don't like the constant bubble nags and so i was poking around the other day and went "wow, cool". +1 for MS there

Poor software development practices are the real PITA when it comes to UAC. Developers are slowly starting to adjust, and the UAC annoyance is useful as a spur to encourage them.

True, but if user's automatic reaction to UAC is to turn it off then it's largely pointless supporting it. Both camps have to buy into the idea - and I think developers are easier to sway (on technical merits of better security) than end-users on this one. Unfortunately years of indoctrinated use of admin accounts is a hard thing to quit. Then again, I suspect most end users will accept UAC and it's possible the noisy minority that are actually bothering to complain about it on web forums

[aidanjt]

True, but if user's automatic reaction to UAC is to turn it off then it's largely pointless supporting it....

The thing is... they don't even need to 'support' it at all, they just need to stop accessing things they really shouldn't be. That's always been one of the things about Windows 3rd party apps that have always pissed me off. I always tried to use a standard user account for non-admin things but eventually it pissed me off so much I gave up. The worst thing Microsoft did with XP was giving normal users admin privilages in the first place, it's one of the many poor decissions that made it simple for viruses to swarm the intardwebs.

[dangel]

The thing is... they don't even need to 'support' it at all, they just need to stop accessing things they really shouldn't be. That's always been one of the things about Windows 3rd party apps that have always pissed me off. I always tried to use a standard user account for non-admin things but eventually it pissed me off so much I gave up. The worst thing Microsoft did with XP was giving normal users admin privilages in the first place, it's one of the many poor decissions that made it simple for viruses to swarm the intardwebs.

That's true to a large degree but.. (there's always a but) having spent some time investigating our own software I have to say it's not (sadly) simply a case of not accessing:

C:\
C:\Windows (and subdirs)
C:\Program Files (and subdirs)
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE

That is for WRITE permissions. That's all fair, although i'll admit we've got code writing config data in our own program files dir when we probably ought to do it elsewhere (oddly, it seems to work just fine though with no prompts..). Outside of that there seems to be restrictions on what code does - for example I've got some code which cleans up (potentially) dead processes spawned by the main app which doesn't seem to work with UAC on. This is a bit of a problem, as dead processes will stop things from starting up, and I can't 'legally' talk them into dying (bear with me) as they're no longer amongst the living. If you'd like to see what's causing UAC prompts with some software then try using MS Application Compatibility Toolkit (5.0) - is has a standard user analysis tool which profiles your app and records all it's misdeeds.

[[GSV]Trig]

UAC when your all installed and setup is fine but when your installing apps and drivers etc oit gets damned annoying real quick..

[IAmATeaf]

I regard UAC very much like good firewall software, it's designed to make the user look up and notice what something is trying to do. Yep can be a right royal pain but as software becomes Vista compliant the messages should go away and only pop up when something is trying to do something very naughty. Remember that UAC also has a virtualization service attached to which is designed to redirect calls an app may make to the filesystem/registry that Vista won't allow under normal user privs, turn off UAC and you'll also turn off virtualization from what little I know

[[GSV]Trig]

How many people read what it says tho and dont jsut click on On/Allow?

[cougarslam]

How many people read what it says tho and dont jsut click on On/Allow?

agreed the majority of standard users click yes/ok to any pop up they see then complain when a load of **** is installed on their web browser etc.