Why should Wenger stay?

[DannyM]

Joey Barton.

I could just imagine it now, him losing his cool because Arsenal tried for the perfect goal, you know you probably wouldn't want to get on his bad side

If I recall correctly there has been rumours a float for some time that Wenger was looking to purchase a GK and CB from Ajax, not sure of the names and as usual, it is just a rumour.

[Blitzen]

I have to agree, some people cant make it to games or afford it

Which i agreed with before JOSH started his hissy fit and abuse (shame that...but ahh well), and you agreed with him.

All i did was respond the 'Wenger out' mentality that is being banded around, by saying that isn't the issue and DEFINITELY NOT the answer, but there are some people that cannot fathom why that is becuase all they see is no players of worth coming in.

Any Arsenal fan can see, if they read between the lines, that the money isn't being made available, and until they realise this, this Wenger bashing lunacy will continue.

Wenger is a highly educated man, and has guided us to unprecidented success within our club. Anyone that thinks he is just being stubborn, and not wanting players, rather than not being given the money for them is just blind.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Because they make decent swiss army knives??

[danroyle]

Joey Barton.

I could just imagine it now, him losing his cool because Arsenal tried for the perfect goal, you know you probably wouldn't want to get on his bad side

If I recall correctly there has been rumours a float for some time that Wenger was looking to purchase a GK and CB from Ajax, not sure of the names and as usual, it is just a rumour.

the goalkeeper would probably be stekelenburg or something the holland number one goalkeeper although many teams are rumoured to be after him no idea on the CB though

[Steve A]

Which i agreed with before JOSH started his hissy fit and abuse (shame that...but ahh well), and you agreed with him.

All i did was respond the 'Wenger out' mentality that is being banded around, by saying that isn't the issue and DEFINITELY NOT the answer, but there are some people that cannot fathom why that is becuase all they see is no players of worth coming in.

Any Arsenal fan can see, if they read between the lines, that the money isn't being made available, and until they realise this, this Wenger bashing lunacy will continue.

Wenger is a highly educated man, and has guided us to unprecidented success within our club. Anyone that thinks he is just being stubborn, and not wanting players, rather than not being given the money for them is just blind.

I whole heartedly agree, the Fans that are pushing the boat to get Wenger out are mad ... He has done a great job at Arsenal,

Regardless of what money he has and hasnt spent, he is a great manager and sacking him will solve nothing, all that will happen is a new manager will come in spend loads of wonger and get the team in debt.

What hes doing is sensible and right, firstly the new FIFA rule will come into place very soon with regards overspending your means .... City and Chelsea are screwed ... and i for one along with alot of Gooner fans will be highly amused ...

Arsenal are run sensibly and have no money worries where as everyone else are crippling themselves to even get to a similar level .... Wenger throwing money at the solution will solve nothing ...

They need a different players rather than 10 of the same. but they certainly dont have to spend "BIG" (IMO anyway)

[j.o.s.h.1408]

Which i agreed with before JOSH started his hissy fit and abuse (shame that...but ahh well), and you agreed with him.

All i did was respond the 'Wenger out' mentality that is being banded around, by saying that isn't the issue and DEFINITELY NOT the answer, but there are some people that cannot fathom why that is becuase all they see is no players of worth coming in.

Any Arsenal fan can see, if they read between the lines, that the money isn't being made available, and until they realise this, this Wenger bashing lunacy will continue.

Wenger is a highly educated man, and has guided us to unprecidented success within our club. Anyone that thinks he is just being stubborn, and not wanting players, rather than not being given the money for them is just blind.

respond? You slagged off practically anyone that doesnt watch arsenal play live, dismissing there right of say!

And about Wenger. I said it here before and i say it again. You DONT need to spend 100m to teach your current crop of players how to defend set pieces.

Half of the problems with wenger has NOTHING to do with lack of funds.

Maybe Wenger is not being paid a high salary therefore, cant be asked to teach his team how to defend set pieces? If that was true, they you can use the "Arsenal dont have money" argument.

So it seems that if a manager does a fanastic job in his first 6-7 years, he has a god given right to slack off for good?

If fergie, Morinho or guardiola went 6 seasons without winning nothing by the exact same REASONS(poor tactics, no plan b, etc etc) then they would have been sacked long ago and the fans would also be backing the axe of those managers.

Some of you need to realize it is 6, yes SIX years of the SAME mistake yet it feels you think we are inpatient for question wenger after SIX, i repeat SIX years of the SAME mistakes???

mad? inpatient? hell no. Just some arsenal fans have took off our rose tinted wenger glasses off, long ago

[Blitzen]

respond? You slagged off practically anyone that doesnt watch arsenal play live, dismissing there right of say!

And about Wenger. I said it here before and i say it again. You DONT need to spend 100m to teach your current crop of players how to defend set pieces.

Half of the problems with wenger has NOTHING to do with lack of funds.

Maybe Wenger is not being paid a high salary therefore, cant be asked to teach his team how to defend set pieces? If that was true, they you can use the "Arsenal dont have money" argument.

So it seems that if a manager does a fanastic job in his first 6-7 years, he has a god given right to slack off for good?

If fergie, Morinho or guardiola went 6 seasons without winning nothing by the exact same REASONS(poor tactics, no plan b, etc etc) then they would have been sacked long ago and the fans would also be backing the axe of those managers.

Some of you need to realize it is 6, yes SIX years of the SAME mistake yet it feels you think we are inpatient for question wenger after SIX, i repeat SIX years of the SAME mistakes???

mad? inpatient? hell no. Just some arsenal fans have took off our rose tinted wenger glasses off, long ago

If you really think that Wenger just 'cant be bothered' then you are even furtherwide of the mark than i originally thought.

You also cannot 'teach' players how to play. Ability reaches a limit, and ours have a lower ability than many, so more hours on a training pitch probably wouldn't help.....surely you can see that.

Anyway, this debate has ran it's course, as after your first post, you gave your opinion.

I will keep an eye out though, and if anything else amusing arises, I will plagurise and post on the Arsenal forum for the others to have a laugh as i doubt they would even believe some of the things you are coming up with.

[danroyle]

Blitzen i think what j.o.s.h is trying to say in a roundabout way is...

The minute you stop going forward you are going backward, TRUST me when i say this as a liverpool fan i know it we stopped going forward 20 years ago and slipped back so far its hard to catch up.

He is right about trophies managers are remembered for there trophies. You have previously slagged off Rafa Benitez for being useless Would it surprise you if i said in the 6 years he was in charge at liverpool they finished above arsenal 3 times and 3 times the other way round. And over 6 years you obtained about 15 points more than us.

I am sure you will now jump and go liverpool spent hundreds of millions on failed players and i'll say yeah torres Xabi alonso Mascherano Arbeloa (who is a regular for Real madrid) the 1 million he spent on Maxi too or SKrtel Agger ( you hate both i know but they are good defenders nonetheless)

Benitez did buy a few awful players but so has Wenger too.
Anyway drifted off point there.

Arsene wenger has created a brilliant platform at arsenal for youth but at some point that needs to reflect into trophies. I am not saying kick him out he's awful as he is not but The arsenal players need to step up and start returning the faith he has showed in youth.

THe future of all teams hugely depends on youth now with the way the transfer market is these days. Liverpool have hugely lacked in youth until Recently (mostly thanks to benitez hiring rodolfo borreli from barca to oversee) we now finally have youth coming through the likes of Suso Flanigan and such. We havent had a steady train of youth coming through since the likes of mcmanaman redknapp fowler and owen.

As long as arsenal continue with wengers plan they will be ok but if they dont start winnning trophies soon he will always be remembered for not winning trophies and never for the superb background setup he has created.

[Blitzen]

The minute you stop going forward you are going backward, TRUST me when i say this as a liverpool fan i know it we stopped going forward 20 years ago and slipped back so far its hard to catch up.

Yep.
I completely understand, and I want Arsenal to move forward as much as any other fan.
However!
Sacking Wenger is not the answer, as that would be the biggest step backwards we wouldve had for years.

The best we can hope for is that Kroeke steps up with a few quid and let's Wenger loose in the REAL transfer market, and not the bargain basement one.

Three players i would go for are:
Joey Barton (£6-7 million) - I can't stand the thug, but he would certainly add grit, and gives 200% every time he steps on the field. He said himself how good he is, so let's give him a chance to show us.

Benzema (£10-12 million)- Not everyones cup of tea, but we are DESPERATE for and out-and-out striker. Van Persie has carried us this year, and we need an alternative.

Shay Given or Ben Foster (£3-4million) - Both excellent keepers, and with Shay Given (best choice imho), he could play all our cup games and leave Sczney <--spelling, as number 1

Our defensive record is excellent contrary to popualr belief, and i think with the Verminator back in the side, we would be solid again. If he cannot get fit, the Samba (£3 million) would indeed be a good alternative.

You could get all of those for well under £30million, and all bar Benzema have a proven Premier League pedigree.

As long as arsenal continue with wengers plan they will be ok but if they dont start winnning trophies soon he will always be remembered for not winning trophies

I think thats a little unfair.
From the beginnings of the Premier League, right up to 2005, we were the ONLY side capable of trading blows with Man Utd, and in effect, stopped them from winning the PL 12 years on the trot.

(btw...Maxi Rodriguez is very poor...even the most ardent Liverpool fan must agree there........Skrtel is decent though)

[danroyle]

I think thats a little unfair.
From the beginnings of the Premier League, right up to 2005, we were the ONLY side capable of trading blows with Man Utd, and in effect, stopped them from winning the PL 12 years on the trot.

(btw...Maxi Rodriguez is very poor...even the most ardent Liverpool fan must agree there........Skrtel is decent though)

1, history never remembers the second place team. However harsh it is wenger will be Remembered for trophies or lack of.


2, currently most liverpool fans quite like maxi a hat trick at the weekend and of late what he may lack in skill he makes up for in effort (this is only recent though)

[Raz316]

I don't think Wenger should go.

We haven't won anything for six years, but that's not to say we've been doing it wrong for six years. (Portsmouth won the FA Cup in 2008, look at them)

I also think it's very easy to throw names of players and managers around like it's an obvious solution to the problem.

I don't buy this whole we lack a leader thing either. Who says we need a leader? If a team gives everything for the team without needing someone to spur them on, why is it any less better? (not that I'm saying we have this attitude properly either).

It seems to me that players lack motivation and/or belief.

Maybe the motivation thing is down to valuable contracts we give our players, but as a business, we do this to make it difficult for others to buy. I am sure this is the case of other teams to, but I honestly think that some of our players really don't appreciate the privileged life they have form themselves. I don't mind seeing our players struggling, but I hate seeing them disinterested, which has happened too often this season.

Belief wise... Wenger can speak as much as he wants about the mental strength this team has, but I don't believe a word of it. If we were so mentally strong, he would not have to talk about it so much. Very rarely have I seen an Arsenal team lose a game where they were simply outclassed. It very much feels like more often than not, this Arsenal team lost the match more than the other team winning it.

So.. like Wenger, I believe this team has the talent to win everything, but I am beginning to doubt that Wenger has the ability to make them all believe they can win everything. Either Wenger goes and we bring in a manager who can do this, or the players that clearly don't have what it takes in this department are sold and we bring people in that can. I'd go with the latter.

[Blitzen]

1, history never remembers the second place team. However harsh it is wenger will be Remembered for trophies or lack of.

Sorry but that is complete rubbish.
Wenger will be remembered for offering the Premier League something different to Manchester Utd, whilst supposed big teams such as Liverpool went out with a wimper since the PL began.

What you are forgetting is that only Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea (and Blackburn...the first year only) have won the PL. We have had it all to ourselves.
We may not have been very good over the last few years, but we have still be there abouts at the business end of thing consistently every year.
I don't know if it's your knowledge or judgement, but one of them is very clouded.

[danroyle]

Sorry but that is complete rubbish.
Wenger will be remembered for offering the Premier League something different to Manchester Utd, whilst supposed big teams such as Liverpool went out with a wimper since the PL began.

What you are forgetting is that only Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea (and Blackburn...the first year only) have won the PL. We have had it all to ourselves.
We may not have been very good over the last few years, but we have still be there abouts at the business end of thing consistently every year.
I don't know if it's your knowledge or judgement, but one of them is very clouded.

my judgement is not clouded prove me wrong Without the use of google

who was the second man to run the four minute mile.

Who was the second man to go sub ten seconds in the 100metre sprint.
Who is the second most capped player at liverpool prior to today
Who lost to liverpool in their first european cup win
who finished second in the 1995 cup winners cup (oh no you should remember that )
who did valentino rossi beat in his first world championship winning year (full moto gp not 125cc)

(you dont really have to answer them)


And most importantly mate i am not saying arsene wenger should be sacked or that he is awful manager i am simply pointing out to you that anyone outside arsenal will not think of arsene wenger for the work he has done but the lack of trophies of late.

You can say until your blue in the face he will be remembered for the brilliant job he has done and to arsenal fans he will but the rest of us NO chance in Hell. Do you think in ten years anyone will remember the work rafa benitez has done to the liverpool youth system HELL NO.

Do you think people will remember the first seven years of ALex fergusons Reign at Man u When he won nothing of note.

although the above point is also hugely Valid And man u had faith in sir alex if more clubs were prepared to follow suit in the way of arsenal and man u football would be alot better for it. Too many managers are dumped too quickly Big phil Scolari SACKED way too quickly.

And look at what Alan curbishley did with Charlton and then look what charlton have done without him,

In summary Blitzen Love it or hate it he will be remembered for trophies, but he should also be kept in charge as i cant see a better manager that could take his job and do it better.

[Steve A]

Sorry but that is complete rubbish.
Wenger will be remembered for offering the Premier League something different to Manchester Utd, whilst supposed big teams such as Liverpool went out with a wimper since the PL began.

What you are forgetting is that only Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea (and Blackburn...the first year only) have won the PL. We have had it all to ourselves.
We may not have been very good over the last few years, but we have still be there abouts at the business end of thing consistently every year.
I don't know if it's your knowledge or judgement, but one of them is very clouded.

I love to correct you on this one.

"Liverpool" have never won the EPL.

[j.o.s.h.1408]

I love to correct you on this one.

"Liverpool" have never won the EPL.

[kopite]

Also Blackburn won it in 95 First pl was 92...