New car time

[Xlucine]

What happens when you set it for, say, 20ºC and then the sun comes out, not enough to heat the car to any degree but enough to make you uncomfortably hot through the window glass?

That's the point I usually start messing with the settings.

The sunshine sensor on the dashboard also gets warmed by the sun, and the car ramps up the cold slightly to compensate

[Ttaskmaster]

If I'm too hot I turn it down 0.5-1C, if I'm too cold I turn it up 0.5-1C. It's still a lot less faff than having to balance hot vs cold with a red/blue dial and manipulate fan speeds.

Two buttons rather than one is really THAT much of a faff for you?

The sunshine sensor on the dashboard also gets warmed by the sun, and the car ramps up the cold slightly to compensate

So when I said, "not hot enough to heat the car to any degree", that is conveniently ignored by the car itself, because it's that smart?

I also said window glass, rather than windscreen, because it's coming in through the side and not touching the sunshine sensor on the dashboard.

[Butcher]

Two buttons rather than one is really THAT much of a faff for you?

The faff is not the number of buttons, it's the amount of fiddling with them you need to do. Setting temperature once a day at most (and usually less often) is a lot less faff than dialling heat/cold split fans up and down every journey.

[Ttaskmaster]

The faff is not the number of buttons, it's the amount of fiddling with them you need to do. Setting temperature once a day at most (and usually less often) is a lot less faff than dialling heat/cold split fans up and down every journey.

Just this day, it's gone back and forth between blinding sunshine to hammering rain and quite nippy cold within minutes. Manual control, perfect temps, I'm certainly happy.

[Xlucine]

So when I said, "not hot enough to heat the car to any degree", that is conveniently ignored by the car itself, because it's that smart?

I also said window glass, rather than windscreen, because it's coming in through the side and not touching the sunshine sensor on the dashboard.

It senses the solar radiation, not temp - something like an LRD and IR-translucent plastic. The sensor is right up by the windscreen vents, so the only way it would be in shade from the car roof is when the sun is really low in the sky.

[Butcher]

Just this day, it's gone back and forth between blinding sunshine to hammering rain and quite nippy cold within minutes. Manual control, perfect temps, I'm certainly happy.

Good for you. However I am much happier in cars with climate control.
Did you specify yours without a starter motor too? I mean it's only a couple of turns of the handle and these electric starter gizmos are not needed and might even get it wrong on a cold day!

[Ttaskmaster]

It senses the solar radiation, not temp - something like an LRD and IR-translucent plastic. The sensor is right up by the windscreen vents, so the only way it would be in shade from the car roof is when the sun is really low in the sky.

Well I assume mine is broken then, or my car is just too low down the spec chain to have such indispensable life-changing technology... I mean how the human race survived without automatic sun-sensing climate control on everything is inconceivable. They must have been crashing every five minutes with all that time spent adjusting the temperatures!

Good for you. However I am much happier in cars with climate control.
Did you specify yours without a starter motor too? I mean it's only a couple of turns of the handle and these electric starter gizmos are not needed and might even get it wrong on a cold day!

I'm sorry, does my choice of car offend you or something? Are you somehow inconvenienced by the fact that I choose NOT to have what someone *thinks* is the absolute latest and greatest in technological advancement?
Because I meet a lot of people like you who seem to have some real issue with the fact that I like older tech better than new and I'd love to know what everyone's problem actually is.

[Butcher]

I'm sorry, does my choice of car offend you or something? Are you somehow inconvenienced by the fact that I choose NOT to have what someone *thinks* is the absolute latest and greatest in technological advancement?
Because I meet a lot of people like you who seem to have some real issue with the fact that I like older tech better than new and I'd love to know what everyone's problem actually is.

Your tendency to belittle people who think otherwise than you is closer to the mark, I fear.
Once starter motors were the latest and greatest in technological advancement and no doubt there were many like you who thought they were unnecessary and that we should all cope fine without. Ditto electric windows and many other things.

[Ttaskmaster]

Your tendency to belittle people who think otherwise than you is closer to the mark, I fear.

In that case, right back at them, because that's exactly what I get for having a different opinion to them - They seem incapable of understanding that what they like, or think is better just because it's newer, does not suit everyone and get really upset when I find it doesn't work for me. Difference is I at least appreciate other peoples' opinions, requirements, preferences, likes and dislikes, while at the same time supporting my own. If they think that's belittling, then so be it.

Case in point, the number of people still using Win7 rather than 8, 8.1 or 10.
Case in point, the number of people (on here especially) who hate anything RGB, or even with lights on.

I'd even extend that to EVs, given the current gimmick status they hold IMO.

Once starter motors were the latest and greatest in technological advancement and no doubt there were many like you who thought they were unnecessary and that we should all cope fine without.

If you honestly think that is what I am like then you have not understood (or even read) my argument and should feel belittled.

However, I'd also counter that with the numerous other 'technological advancements' in the motoring industry alone that either never took off, or turned out to be outright dismal failures... Not everything is awesome.