Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

[Zak33]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/207027

Pretty serious issue - there are some beautiful older cars, some real classcics, being scrapped through Manufacturer scrappage schemes, where a new car brand pays extra money on the part ex to scrap it. it HAS to be scrapped then. It cant be pulled out for special mention.

Someone tried to scrap a Ford Model 10 in great condition, becuase the were offered strong money in Part ex vs a new Transit van. The issue is... once that old girl is scrapped... she's gone for ever. That Tranny aint worth it.

Please sign the above petition- and spread the love.

[jimborae]

Done

[GoNz0]

Done and spammed on facebook.

[Millennium]

Signed, good cause this.

[Zak33]

Done and spammed on facebook.

it does need some Social Media love please everyone.

[peterb]

Signed

it does need some Social Media love please everyone.

I usually consider the terms 'Social Media' and 'Love' to be mutually exclusive!

[badass]

On the one hand, I am all for prevention of classic cars being needlessly destroyed. However I also don't see why people should be able to interfere with someone elses right to safely dispose of their own property.

Those of us that are bothered by keeping classic cars should be the ones paying to keep them safe. Perhaps buy them off the owner for more than scrappage money

Thus I will not sign.

[spacein_vader]

On the one hand, I am all for prevention of classic cars being needlessly destroyed. However I also don't see why people should be able to interfere with someone elses right to safely dispose of their own property.

Those of us that are bothered by keeping classic cars should be the ones paying to keep them safe. Perhaps buy them off the owner for more than scrappage money

Thus I will not sign.

Agreed.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This is what Zak33 is talking about:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/clas...n-classic-car/

2 November 2017 • 4:30pm

The roadworthy 1959 Standard Ten that was destined to be scrapped after it was used to get money off a new Transit van via Ford's scrappage scheme has been saved.

Ford came under fire from classic car enthusiasts for its intransigence in insisting that the Standard had to be scrapped under the terms of the scheme.

But Tim Holmes, Ford UK’s executive director, Communications & Public Affairs, now says that "we have been in discussion with Danny Hopkins, the editor of Practical Classics magazine, and we have found a solution that satisfies both the terms of our scrappage scheme and all the parties concerned".

The vehicle will have to remain off the road, but it has avoided a crusher-bound fate and Hopkins thanks "Ford for doing the right thing as the car will now live on, in one way or another".

One possible long-term home for this rare car is for it to become an exhibit in the museum that is being established in the region by the well-known Scottish garage owner and classic car collector Edward Sutherland.

However, this is unlikely to be the last controversy regarding classic vehicles and various manufacturers' scrappage schemes and Hopkins contends that "what now needs to happen is that this argument is taken to the DVLA to get them to adopt a policy that any car with 'Historic' on its V5 is automatically exempt [from being scrapped]".

Between 1954 and 1960 the Ten was regarded a very viable alternative to the likes of the Morris Minor and the Austin A30 but today few of these once ubiquitous small saloons now remain on the road.

Practical Classics editor Hopkins said he had been approached by former and current Ford employees saddened by events and that Lord Steel, the president of the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs, had contacted Ford over the matter.

James Walshe, the magazine’s deputy editor, had travelled to Thurso to join the local car clubs who were attempting to save the Ten. He reports that the Standard is “in near mint condition; it has been inspected and it would certainly pass an MoT test”.

Although Standard produced many Tens from 1906, this version ran from 1954 to 1960 before being replaced by the Triumph Herald

Peter Lockley, chairman of the Standard Motor Club, said earlier this week: “Ford should be ashamed of itself in attempting to destroy such a well-loved car. You would be amazed at how many visitors to motoring events up and down the country responds to a Ten with either ‘I learned to drive in one of those’ or, even more, frequently, ‘My dad had one’.”

Hopkins argues: “The historic vehicle industry is worth £5.5 billion per annum to UK PLC - a fact that makes an act of heritage vandalism such as this all the more extraordinary, especially from a car company.

“We are so lucky to have such a vibrant, passionate and active classic car movement in the UK, I am not surprised by the outrage that Ford's intransigence inspired.

https://classics.honestjohn.co.uk/ne...appage-scheme/

Ford will no longer allow classic cars to be traded in as part of its scrappage scheme. Originally, any vehicle built before 1 January, 2010, could be traded in. One customer traded in a 1959 Standard Ten for a new Ford Transit, promoting an outcry from classic car enthusiasts.

Ford bowed to pressure and agreed not to scrap the car - but the terms and conditions of the scheme meant that the car could never be put back on the road. Now Ford says that any vehicles “classified as ‘historic vehicles’ by the DVLA will not automatically be scrapped” from 2018.

So far, Ford has scrapped the most cars of any UK dealer 8,088 cars - but it won’t say how many of those were classics. The news means that now two of the UK’s biggest car brands, Ford and Vauxhall, have procedures in place to stop classic cars being crushed as part of the scrappage scheme.

The car was in mint condition and would have passed its MOT and it is not that common,and part of UK motoring heritage.

It was made by the Standard Motor Company so it was not a Ford BTW!!

Edit!!

Also at the very least,scrapping a classic car is idiotic,since even a poor condition one could be used for parts,and it would actually probably be more valuable than for its steel value alone.

[Spreadie]

However I also don't see why people should be able to interfere with someone elses right to safely dispose of their own property.

This.

Terrible idea for a petition.

[Saracen]

I'm afraid I agree with badass, etc.

If classic car lovers want to prevent a car being scrapped, be prepared to buy it.

If I had a classic car and nobody was willing to buy it at, or in excess of, scrappage value, then why should I be stuck with it.

If, on the other hand, some enthusiast wants to preserve it, or break it up for parts, then fine, buy it from me. Otherwise, it's my car to do as I wish with. Just don't expect me to be the one breaking it for parts.

[PokeyJr]

If people are stupid enough to scrap a classic car like that then the problem is the person, not the law. They should be criminalised instead.

[outwar6010]

This seems incredibly silly. If someone inherited a car that hasn't been maintained, as well should have and doesn't want to pay to restore it etc, they should be free to do what they want with it if they can't sell it. People on this thread are treating this like a humanitarian issue.

[wazzickle]

What a horrendously ugly car

Definitely not signing this, sorry.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

BTW,some the rarest mainstream British cars:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/gall...ustin-allegro/

The Austin Metro,Morris Marina,Hillman Avenger,Vauxhall Chevette,Austin Allegro,Austin Maxi and Morris Ital.Less than a 1000 of them left,some under 200 like the Austin Allegro,and less than 50 Morris Ital cards left and well over 600000 were made originally of the Austin Allegro.

So,if you have one of those it might be worth something. I remember a family friend who had an MG Metro,and sold it for few grand especially since it was one of the higher end models with better trim and a more powerful engine,and was in good condition.

Also look at the decrease in numbers,some of the cars have gone down massively in number over the last decade. So companies scrapping perfectly fine rare old cars,is utterly pointless. The cars are worth more in value than the steel got from scrapping them,and if anything companies like Ford would probably gain more value by selling them on,even abroad.

Remember,people are making a mistake assuming the chap who part exchanged the Standard 10 even bothered to sell it. Some people might not even have a clue about what it was - it was some car they inherited and it was taking up space.

A lot of unique British aircraft were scrapped the same way,and it only took one heck of an effort by enthusiasts to save old aircraft including the Spitfires you see today.

There were some which never got saved,since nobody could be bothered.

I wonder if many here would feel the same if someone randomly decided to scrap a Spitfire they owned even if it could be offered elsewhere for sale,even for parts.

Sure its their choice,but its also part of our history even it was a violent and nasty part of it.

[spacein_vader]

BTW,some the rarest mainstream British cars:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/gall...ustin-allegro/

The Austin Metro,Morris Marina,Hillman Avenger,Vauxhall Chevette,Austin Allegro,Austin Maxi and Morris Ital.Less than a 1000 of them left,some under 200 like the Austin Allegro,and less than 50 Morris Ital cards left and well over 600000 were made originally of the Austin Allegro.

So,if you have one of those it might be worth something. I remember a family friend who had an MG Metro,and sold it for few grand especially since it was one of the higher end models with better trim and a more powerful engine,and was in good condition.

Also look at the decrease in numbers,some of the cars have gone down massively in number over the last decade. So companies scrapping perfectly fine rare old cars,is utterly pointless. The cars are worth more in value than the steel got from scrapping them,and if anything companies like Ford would probably gain more value by selling them on,even abroad.

Remember,people are making a mistake assuming the chap who part exchanged the Standard 10 even bothered to sell it. Some people might not even have a clue about what it was - it was some car they inherited and it was taking up space.

A lot of unique British aircraft were scrapped the same way,and it only took one heck of an effort by enthusiasts to save old aircraft including the Spitfires you see today.

There were some which never got saved,since nobody could be bothered.

I wonder if many here would feel the same if someone randomly decided to scrap a Spitfire they owned even if it could be offered elsewhere for sale,even for parts.

Sure its their choice,but its also part of our history even it was a violent and nasty part of it.

The reason a lot of those cars are nearly all gone is because many of them started rusting before they left the factory.

All classic cars are old but not all old cars are classics.