Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 53

Thread: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

  1. #1
    HEXUS.timelord. Zak33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    I'm a Jessie
    Posts
    33,420
    Thanks
    2,317
    Thanked
    2,494 times in 1,563 posts
    • Zak33's system
      • Storage:
      • Kingston HyperX SSD, Hitachi 1Tb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Nvidia 1050
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 800w
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT01
      • Operating System:
      • Win10
      • Internet:
      • Zen FTC uber speedy

    Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/207027

    Pretty serious issue - there are some beautiful older cars, some real classcics, being scrapped through Manufacturer scrappage schemes, where a new car brand pays extra money on the part ex to scrap it. it HAS to be scrapped then. It cant be pulled out for special mention.

    Someone tried to scrap a Ford Model 10 in great condition, becuase the were offered strong money in Part ex vs a new Transit van. The issue is... once that old girl is scrapped... she's gone for ever. That Tranny aint worth it.

    Please sign the above petition- and spread the love.

    Quote Originally Posted by Advice Trinity by Knoxville
    "The second you aren't paying attention to the tool you're using, it will take your fingers from you. It does not know sympathy." |
    "If you don't gaffer it, it will gaffer you" | "Belt and braces"

  2. #2
    Laird Of The Glen jimborae's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    I come from a land of plenty......not
    Posts
    3,082
    Thanks
    179
    Thanked
    274 times in 225 posts
    • jimborae's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H
      • CPU:
      • Core i7 2600K@4.5Ghz
      • Memory:
      • Mushkin RipJaws DDR3 16Gig
      • Storage:
      • 1x Samsung 850Evo 500Gb SSD, 1 x WG 640Gb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • VTX R9 290 watercooled
      • PSU:
      • XFX 850W Black Edition
      • Case:
      • Phantek Enthoo Prime
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 xDell 24"
      • Internet:
      • Vodafone 70Mb

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    Done

  3. Received thanks from:

    Zak33 (02-02-2018)

  4. #3
    DILLIGAF GoNz0's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Derby
    Posts
    10,813
    Thanks
    621
    Thanked
    1,168 times in 929 posts
    • GoNz0's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Rampage V Extreme
      • CPU:
      • i7 something X99 based
      • Memory:
      • 16gb GSkill
      • Storage:
      • 4 SSD's + WD Red
      • Graphics card(s):
      • GTX980 Strix WC
      • PSU:
      • Enermax Galaxy 1250 (9 years and counting)
      • Case:
      • Corsair 900D
      • Operating System:
      • win10 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 24"
      • Internet:
      • 220mb Cable

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    Done and spammed on facebook.

    Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack
    off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.

  5. Received thanks from:

    Zak33 (02-02-2018)

  6. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    1,044
    Thanks
    637
    Thanked
    96 times in 82 posts
    • Millennium's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Z170 Pro Gamer ATX
      • CPU:
      • Intel i5 6600K @ 4.5GHz 4 core
      • Memory:
      • Corsair VPX 3000 DDR4 (16, 4*4)
      • Storage:
      • 500gb 850 Evo sata3 SSD, 2*2TB Green 5900 Raid 0
      • Graphics card(s):
      • MSI 390 8gb
      • PSU:
      • toughpower 1kw
      • Case:
      • Zalman Z3 Plus
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • VIEWSONIC VG2401MH 144hz (Solid)
      • Internet:
      • Origin ADSL Broadband, not really recommended.

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    Signed, good cause this.
    : n(baby):n(lover):n(sky)|>P(Name)>>not quite

    how do you spend your time online? (Hexus link)

  7. Received thanks from:

    Zak33 (02-02-2018)

  8. #5
    HEXUS.timelord. Zak33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    I'm a Jessie
    Posts
    33,420
    Thanks
    2,317
    Thanked
    2,494 times in 1,563 posts
    • Zak33's system
      • Storage:
      • Kingston HyperX SSD, Hitachi 1Tb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Nvidia 1050
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 800w
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT01
      • Operating System:
      • Win10
      • Internet:
      • Zen FTC uber speedy

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    Quote Originally Posted by GoNz0 View Post
    Done and spammed on facebook.
    it does need some Social Media love please everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Advice Trinity by Knoxville
    "The second you aren't paying attention to the tool you're using, it will take your fingers from you. It does not know sympathy." |
    "If you don't gaffer it, it will gaffer you" | "Belt and braces"

  9. #6
    “High End” Admin peterb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Southampton
    Posts
    18,367
    Thanks
    2,522
    Thanked
    3,081 times in 2,457 posts
    • peterb's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Nascom 2
      • CPU:
      • Z80B
      • Memory:
      • 48K 8 bit memory on separate card
      • Storage:
      • Audio cassette tape - home built 5.25" floppy drive
      • Graphics card(s):
      • text output (composite video)
      • PSU:
      • Home built
      • Case:
      • Home built
      • Operating System:
      • Nas-sys
      • Monitor(s):
      • 12" monocrome composite video input
      • Internet:
      • No networking capability on this machine

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    Signed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    it does need some Social Media love please everyone.
    I usually consider the terms 'Social Media' and 'Love' to be mutually exclusive!
    (\__/)
    (='.'=)
    (")_(")

    Been helped or just 'Like' a post? Use the Thanks button!
    My broadband speed - 750 Meganibbles/minute

  10. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    4,391
    Thanks
    135
    Thanked
    279 times in 222 posts
    • badass's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS P8Z77-m pro
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 3570K
      • Memory:
      • 32GB
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 850 EVO, 2TB WD Green
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon RX 580
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX520W
      • Case:
      • Silverstone SG02-F
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 X64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Del U2311, LG226WTQ
      • Internet:
      • 80/20 FTTC

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    On the one hand, I am all for prevention of classic cars being needlessly destroyed. However I also don't see why people should be able to interfere with someone elses right to safely dispose of their own property.

    Those of us that are bothered by keeping classic cars should be the ones paying to keep them safe. Perhaps buy them off the owner for more than scrappage money

    Thus I will not sign.
    "In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penises, taken Viagra and are looking for a new relationship."

  11. #8
    Senior Member spacein_vader's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Darkest Northamptonshire
    Posts
    774
    Thanks
    44
    Thanked
    136 times in 104 posts
    • spacein_vader's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus B85M-G
      • CPU:
      • i5 4460 3.2GHz
      • Memory:
      • 4x4GB Crucial DDR3 1600
      • Storage:
      • 128GB SSD, 256GB SSD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus RX-480 Dual OC 4GB
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX 520W modular
      • Case:
      • Antec Mini P180
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • BenQ GW2765, Dell Ultrasharp U2412
      • Internet:
      • Origin Fibre Max

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    On the one hand, I am all for prevention of classic cars being needlessly destroyed. However I also don't see why people should be able to interfere with someone elses right to safely dispose of their own property.

    Those of us that are bothered by keeping classic cars should be the ones paying to keep them safe. Perhaps buy them off the owner for more than scrappage money

    Thus I will not sign.
    Agreed.

  12. #9
    £1000 Tesco Value Beer CAT-THE-FIFTH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Moosetopia
    Posts
    28,385
    Thanks
    3,144
    Thanked
    4,373 times in 3,389 posts
    • CAT-THE-FIFTH's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Less E-PEEN
      • CPU:
      • Massive E-PEEN
      • Memory:
      • RGB E-PEEN
      • Storage:
      • Not in any order
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVEN BIGGER E-PEEN
      • PSU:
      • OVERSIZED
      • Case:
      • UNDERSIZED
      • Operating System:
      • DOS 6.22
      • Monitor(s):
      • NOT USUALLY ON....WHEN I POST
      • Internet:
      • FUNCTIONAL

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    This is what Zak33 is talking about:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/clas...n-classic-car/

    2 November 2017 • 4:30pm

    The roadworthy 1959 Standard Ten that was destined to be scrapped after it was used to get money off a new Transit van via Ford's scrappage scheme has been saved.

    Ford came under fire from classic car enthusiasts for its intransigence in insisting that the Standard had to be scrapped under the terms of the scheme.

    But Tim Holmes, Ford UK’s executive director, Communications & Public Affairs, now says that "we have been in discussion with Danny Hopkins, the editor of Practical Classics magazine, and we have found a solution that satisfies both the terms of our scrappage scheme and all the parties concerned".

    The vehicle will have to remain off the road, but it has avoided a crusher-bound fate and Hopkins thanks "Ford for doing the right thing as the car will now live on, in one way or another".

    One possible long-term home for this rare car is for it to become an exhibit in the museum that is being established in the region by the well-known Scottish garage owner and classic car collector Edward Sutherland.

    However, this is unlikely to be the last controversy regarding classic vehicles and various manufacturers' scrappage schemes and Hopkins contends that "what now needs to happen is that this argument is taken to the DVLA to get them to adopt a policy that any car with 'Historic' on its V5 is automatically exempt [from being scrapped]".

    Between 1954 and 1960 the Ten was regarded a very viable alternative to the likes of the Morris Minor and the Austin A30 but today few of these once ubiquitous small saloons now remain on the road.

    Practical Classics editor Hopkins said he had been approached by former and current Ford employees saddened by events and that Lord Steel, the president of the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs, had contacted Ford over the matter.

    James Walshe, the magazine’s deputy editor, had travelled to Thurso to join the local car clubs who were attempting to save the Ten. He reports that the Standard is “in near mint condition; it has been inspected and it would certainly pass an MoT test”.

    Although Standard produced many Tens from 1906, this version ran from 1954 to 1960 before being replaced by the Triumph Herald

    Peter Lockley, chairman of the Standard Motor Club, said earlier this week: “Ford should be ashamed of itself in attempting to destroy such a well-loved car. You would be amazed at how many visitors to motoring events up and down the country responds to a Ten with either ‘I learned to drive in one of those’ or, even more, frequently, ‘My dad had one’.”

    Hopkins argues: “The historic vehicle industry is worth £5.5 billion per annum to UK PLC - a fact that makes an act of heritage vandalism such as this all the more extraordinary, especially from a car company.

    “We are so lucky to have such a vibrant, passionate and active classic car movement in the UK, I am not surprised by the outrage that Ford's intransigence inspired.
    https://classics.honestjohn.co.uk/ne...appage-scheme/

    Ford will no longer allow classic cars to be traded in as part of its scrappage scheme. Originally, any vehicle built before 1 January, 2010, could be traded in. One customer traded in a 1959 Standard Ten for a new Ford Transit, promoting an outcry from classic car enthusiasts.

    Ford bowed to pressure and agreed not to scrap the car - but the terms and conditions of the scheme meant that the car could never be put back on the road. Now Ford says that any vehicles “classified as ‘historic vehicles’ by the DVLA will not automatically be scrapped” from 2018.

    So far, Ford has scrapped the most cars of any UK dealer 8,088 cars - but it won’t say how many of those were classics. The news means that now two of the UK’s biggest car brands, Ford and Vauxhall, have procedures in place to stop classic cars being crushed as part of the scrappage scheme.




    The car was in mint condition and would have passed its MOT and it is not that common,and part of UK motoring heritage.

    It was made by the Standard Motor Company so it was not a Ford BTW!!

    Edit!!

    Also at the very least,scrapping a classic car is idiotic,since even a poor condition one could be used for parts,and it would actually probably be more valuable than for its steel value alone.
    Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 03-02-2018 at 03:27 PM.


    Those despicable Elk,stealing the pond weed!

  13. #10
    Senior Member Spreadie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    an island in the south
    Posts
    1,417
    Thanks
    199
    Thanked
    229 times in 157 posts
    • Spreadie's system
      • CPU:
      • Dell XPS 15 9570
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Aorus Gaming Box 1070
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • Acer H277HU
      • Internet:
      • Two cans and damp string

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    However I also don't see why people should be able to interfere with someone elses right to safely dispose of their own property.
    This.

    Terrible idea for a petition.
    Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!


  14. #11
    Admin Saracen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    18,230
    Thanks
    976
    Thanked
    3,157 times in 2,241 posts

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    I'm afraid I agree with badass, etc.

    If classic car lovers want to prevent a car being scrapped, be prepared to buy it.

    If I had a classic car and nobody was willing to buy it at, or in excess of, scrappage value, then why should I be stuck with it.

    If, on the other hand, some enthusiast wants to preserve it, or break it up for parts, then fine, buy it from me. Otherwise, it's my car to do as I wish with. Just don't expect me to be the one breaking it for parts.
    Noli nothis permittere te terere.


  15. #12
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    3
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    If people are stupid enough to scrap a classic car like that then the problem is the person, not the law. They should be criminalised instead.

  16. #13
    Ryzen Master race outwar6010's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Londinium
    Posts
    1,818
    Thanks
    332
    Thanked
    203 times in 138 posts
    • outwar6010's system
      • Motherboard:
      • asus Crosshair x370
      • CPU:
      • 1800x @ Stock
      • Memory:
      • Team Group Dark Pro Edition 16GB (2X8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHZ
      • Storage:
      • More than most
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Gigabyte Aorus 1080
      • PSU:
      • corsair ax 760
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster cosmos 2
      • Operating System:
      • windows 10 pro 64 bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • hp omen 32
      • Internet:
      • Bt infinite

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    This seems incredibly silly. If someone inherited a car that hasn't been maintained, as well should have and doesn't want to pay to restore it etc, they should be free to do what they want with it if they can't sell it. People on this thread are treating this like a humanitarian issue.
    Facts don't exist, only interpretations.


  17. Received thanks from:

    Mr_Jon (04-02-2018)

  18. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Location
    Somerset
    Posts
    710
    Thanks
    43
    Thanked
    82 times in 64 posts
    • wazzickle's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Z170i Pro Gaming
      • CPU:
      • i5 7600
      • Memory:
      • 16Gb DDR4 HyperX Fury
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 850 Evo M.2 256GB (OS); 2 x Seagate 5+4 TB 2.5" HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Intel Onboard HD 630
      • PSU:
      • Pico PSU 160W
      • Case:
      • Streacom FC8 Alpha OD
      • Operating System:
      • W10
      • Monitor(s):
      • Samsung UE50JU6800 4k TV
      • Internet:
      • Plusnet 80/20

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    What a horrendously ugly car

    Definitely not signing this, sorry.

  19. #15
    £1000 Tesco Value Beer CAT-THE-FIFTH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Moosetopia
    Posts
    28,385
    Thanks
    3,144
    Thanked
    4,373 times in 3,389 posts
    • CAT-THE-FIFTH's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Less E-PEEN
      • CPU:
      • Massive E-PEEN
      • Memory:
      • RGB E-PEEN
      • Storage:
      • Not in any order
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVEN BIGGER E-PEEN
      • PSU:
      • OVERSIZED
      • Case:
      • UNDERSIZED
      • Operating System:
      • DOS 6.22
      • Monitor(s):
      • NOT USUALLY ON....WHEN I POST
      • Internet:
      • FUNCTIONAL

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    BTW,some the rarest mainstream British cars:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/gall...ustin-allegro/

    The Austin Metro,Morris Marina,Hillman Avenger,Vauxhall Chevette,Austin Allegro,Austin Maxi and Morris Ital.Less than a 1000 of them left,some under 200 like the Austin Allegro,and less than 50 Morris Ital cards left and well over 600000 were made originally of the Austin Allegro.

    So,if you have one of those it might be worth something. I remember a family friend who had an MG Metro,and sold it for few grand especially since it was one of the higher end models with better trim and a more powerful engine,and was in good condition.

    Also look at the decrease in numbers,some of the cars have gone down massively in number over the last decade. So companies scrapping perfectly fine rare old cars,is utterly pointless. The cars are worth more in value than the steel got from scrapping them,and if anything companies like Ford would probably gain more value by selling them on,even abroad.

    Remember,people are making a mistake assuming the chap who part exchanged the Standard 10 even bothered to sell it. Some people might not even have a clue about what it was - it was some car they inherited and it was taking up space.

    A lot of unique British aircraft were scrapped the same way,and it only took one heck of an effort by enthusiasts to save old aircraft including the Spitfires you see today.

    There were some which never got saved,since nobody could be bothered.

    I wonder if many here would feel the same if someone randomly decided to scrap a Spitfire they owned even if it could be offered elsewhere for sale,even for parts.

    Sure its their choice,but its also part of our history even it was a violent and nasty part of it.
    Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 04-02-2018 at 06:19 PM.


    Those despicable Elk,stealing the pond weed!

  20. #16
    Senior Member spacein_vader's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Darkest Northamptonshire
    Posts
    774
    Thanks
    44
    Thanked
    136 times in 104 posts
    • spacein_vader's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus B85M-G
      • CPU:
      • i5 4460 3.2GHz
      • Memory:
      • 4x4GB Crucial DDR3 1600
      • Storage:
      • 128GB SSD, 256GB SSD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus RX-480 Dual OC 4GB
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX 520W modular
      • Case:
      • Antec Mini P180
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • BenQ GW2765, Dell Ultrasharp U2412
      • Internet:
      • Origin Fibre Max

    Re: Make it illegal for Historic Vehicles to be processed through scrappage schemes

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    BTW,some the rarest mainstream British cars:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/gall...ustin-allegro/

    The Austin Metro,Morris Marina,Hillman Avenger,Vauxhall Chevette,Austin Allegro,Austin Maxi and Morris Ital.Less than a 1000 of them left,some under 200 like the Austin Allegro,and less than 50 Morris Ital cards left and well over 600000 were made originally of the Austin Allegro.

    So,if you have one of those it might be worth something. I remember a family friend who had an MG Metro,and sold it for few grand especially since it was one of the higher end models with better trim and a more powerful engine,and was in good condition.

    Also look at the decrease in numbers,some of the cars have gone down massively in number over the last decade. So companies scrapping perfectly fine rare old cars,is utterly pointless. The cars are worth more in value than the steel got from scrapping them,and if anything companies like Ford would probably gain more value by selling them on,even abroad.

    Remember,people are making a mistake assuming the chap who part exchanged the Standard 10 even bothered to sell it. Some people might not even have a clue about what it was - it was some car they inherited and it was taking up space.

    A lot of unique British aircraft were scrapped the same way,and it only took one heck of an effort by enthusiasts to save old aircraft including the Spitfires you see today.

    There were some which never got saved,since nobody could be bothered.

    I wonder if many here would feel the same if someone randomly decided to scrap a Spitfire they owned even if it could be offered elsewhere for sale,even for parts.

    Sure its their choice,but its also part of our history even it was a violent and nasty part of it.
    The reason a lot of those cars are nearly all gone is because many of them started rusting before they left the factory.

    All classic cars are old but not all old cars are classics.

Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •