Why bother trying to cut back on emmissions? The US Pickup truck market aint

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Originally Posted by kalniel

I don't know - isn't the fiesta the best selling car in the UK?

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What is that supposed to prove?
Go look at the most popular TV programmes in the UK and then tell me if the rest of the world considers that (the programmes, or the audience) in any way normal...!!

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Originally Posted by wazzickle

Well we could talk a lot about regional differences and why my local service doesn't allow for tetrapak cardboard at all

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Guys, brakes on, there - This is my workplace. Our office bins are handled by a (cheap) domestic contractor, not local council dustmen.

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Originally Posted by wazzickle

Yes. This would astonish me.

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I was afraid you'd ask that...
I'm still perfectly happy to do it, but I may have to ask you for my overtime rate, as well as payment for the subject being filmed as they'll have to sign a release form and everything, probably have to charge you for the rights to film on our site as well (which every film company has had to do, from James Bond to Day Of The Triffids)... and I'm sure there will be other expenses involved.

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Originally Posted by Butcher

Do they have kids? Because raising a child is an order of magnitude worse for the environment than driving an F-150.

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Is it?
Don't mention this to the hippy-vegan guy at work with the Nissan Leaf... with that and my dirty diesel I'll never hear the end of it!!

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Originally Posted by Lowe

I never see the face of the person that serves me. Just the floating hands of 'God' passing noms down. :D

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You are my Labrador and I claim my £5!!!

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Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster

Is it?
Don't mention this to the hippy-vegan guy at work with the Nissan Leaf... with that and my dirty diesel I'll never hear the end of it!!

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Yup.
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...48-9326/aa7541

Average saving for not having a child: 58.6 tonnes of CO2 per year.
Average saving for not having a car: 2.4 tonnes.
Also, since you mentioned veganism, average saving for eating a plant based diet: 0.8 tonnes.

Having an electric car is basically pissing in the wind compared to these as the majority of UK power is carbon intensive, and making the car itself is carbon intensive. If he really cared he'd have no car at all and no children.

Also I can basically do donuts in the carpark in an F-150 and still come out ahead of anyone with a child. :mrgreen:

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Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster

What is that supposed to prove?
Go look at the most popular TV programmes in the UK and then tell me if the rest of the world considers that (the programmes, or the audience) in any way normal...!!


Guys, brakes on, there - This is my workplace. Our office bins are handled by a (cheap) domestic contractor, not local council dustmen.


I was afraid you'd ask that...
I'm still perfectly happy to do it, but I may have to ask you for my overtime rate, as well as payment for the subject being filmed as they'll have to sign a release form and everything, probably have to charge you for the rights to film on our site as well (which every film company has had to do, from James Bond to Day Of The Triffids)... and I'm sure there will be other expenses involved.


Is it?
Don't mention this to the hippy-vegan guy at work with the Nissan Leaf... with that and my dirty diesel I'll never hear the end of it!!


You are my Labrador and I claim my £5!!!

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I mean this is even worse than not saying you can prove it. You say you can prove it and then ask for money to do so. Reduces your testimony to less than worthless in my eyes.

There has been news in Lincolnshire recently that district councils have different rules on what they collect for recycling. However all the material goes to the same recycling plant. Standardisation is desperately needed.

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Originally Posted by Butcher

If he really cared he'd have no car at all and no children.

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He has three, of which I'm aware.
Thanks - I'll see what he has to say for himself!

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Originally Posted by wazzickle

I mean this is even worse than not saying you can prove it. You say you can prove it and then ask for money to do so. Reduces your testimony to less than worthless in my eyes.

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DILLIGAF?
Firstly, what makes you think this is a court, in which my anecdotes constitute a legal testimony?
Secondly, what makes you think your opinion of the validity in my passing remark holds sufficient value in my own opinion to warrant working late, risking legal action and losing money just for the purposes of having you believe me?

If you care that much about whether or not I am telling the truth, put your money where your mouth is.

I don't really care, just you seemed willing to prove it, then backed down. If you don't care whether I believe you or not, that's fine.

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Originally Posted by wazzickle

I don't really care, just you seemed willing to prove it, then backed down. If you don't care whether I believe you or not, that's fine.

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I never thought it needed proving in the first place, as it was just a passing counter to your assertion with slightly more qualification than simply saying, "That's not always true", to give it context.

I'm not backing down and am still perfectly willing to prove it however you like, but I'm not going to all that effort and expense for free, is all.
If you like, I could get a sworn statement from the aforementioned planet-saving persons, stating that they fail to acknowledge the bull-poo recycling service, instead? I don't believe they would charge for their time on that...

Whatever floats your sandal... Have a think about it over the weekend and let me know.
Not before 7pm on Sunday, though, as I'll be busy thinking of ways to get back on-topic in this thread about brick-shaped pickup trucks...

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Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster

What is that supposed to prove?
Go look at the most popular TV programmes in the UK and then tell me if the rest of the world considers that (the programmes, or the audience) in any way normal...!!

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It proves that at least one American manufacturer does have it in their heart to produce a smaller car for as demanded by other markets than their home one.

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Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster

I never thought it needed proving in the first place, as it was just a passing counter to your assertion with slightly more qualification than simply saying, "That's not always true", to give it context.

I'm not backing down and am still perfectly willing to prove it however you like, but I'm not going to all that effort and expense for free, is all.
If you like, I could get a sworn statement from the aforementioned planet-saving persons, stating that they fail to acknowledge the bull-poo recycling service, instead? I don't believe they would charge for their time on that...

Whatever floats your sandal... Have a think about it over the weekend and let me know.
Not before 7pm on Sunday, though, as I'll be busy thinking of ways to get back on-topic in this thread about brick-shaped pickup trucks...

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How about this - I'll pay you for the time it takes you to record the video, and you pay me an equal rate for the time it takes me to watch it.

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Originally Posted by kalniel

It proves that at least one American manufacturer does have it in their heart to produce a smaller car for as demanded by other markets than their home one.

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Or that they just realised they can make more money off selling vehicles that can go round our corners?
Harley Davidson was also supposed to be making new models specifically designed for European roads...

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Originally Posted by wazzickle

How about this - I'll pay you for the time it takes you to record the video, and you pay me an equal rate for the time it takes me to watch it.

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I could happy with that. Depends on what rate you're offering.

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Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster

Or that they just realised they can make more money off selling vehicles that can go round our corners?

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Same thing - ford is a business.

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Originally Posted by kalniel

Same thing - ford is a business.

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Having seen how well other manufacturers did when making such cars, they'd have been fools to not eventually hop on the same bandwagon... but are their hearts actually in it, or is it just about the money?
Ford still have a bad rep for shoddy cars, so I'm guessing the latter...

Late May '19 update

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-ge...-idUKKCN1T01W1

GM investing in those monster pickups....

profit over environment, and I'm expected to wash up a yoghurt pot before dropping it in the right one of 3 bins.

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Originally Posted by Zak33

profit over environment, and I'm expected to wash up a yoghurt pot before dropping it in the right one of 3 bins.

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The Mindset of the general middleaged american male who lives a non-city centeral lifestyle is a stereotype that is repeatable across that demographic imo. Melenials, gen x and blah blah will see that this fad falls apart in the peterol/diesel scene. E-Trucks FTW, though they will also be inefficient in many regards its still a better alternative.

And their power stations will be burning Freedom Gas molecules according to the Department of Energy.

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Originally Posted by Zak33

and I'm expected to wash up a yoghurt pot before dropping it in the right one of 3 bins.

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Of course you are.
However, you are also expected to not pollute the planet by driving your massive dirty engine around. Whether you do or not is your choice, though, nothing to do with the manufacturer any more than whether or not you stab someone with your steak knife is anything to do with the cutlers who made it.

Technically speaking, anyway....
Is it Friday, yet? It must be Friday soon, as things are feeling a little flippant and Fridayish...