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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by smargh View Post
    stuff
    Wow, do you not like cars, or something?
    No need to charge for road use, as there will be zero pollution and fuel use. Most of the other stuff will be taken care of by autonomous vehicles, although having a car at that point will be largely pointless anyway.

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    Remove - or at a minimum, is a delete option - aircon.
    How come? Can you not just turn the a/c mode off?

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    63,344,826,01233,435,232,834 candle power laser beam headlights that sit 3 metres off the ground.
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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    agree and agree.. you're on point with those.
    Hang on, you were against things that add weight that you hardly ever use, why does a full-sized spare not count?
    Dont get me wrong, I hate space savers, but i thought your point was saving weight and hence reducing emissions...

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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    i must admit.. I'd like quality speakers fitted to everything at the first line of design, in good enclosures.. and then optional stereo choices.
    I get where you're coming from, but I doubt it's viable for real audio enthusiasts. I also get that a car is far from an ideal environment for "real audio". Careful choice makes a lot of difference, though.

    My problem with fitting at the design stage is that, for instance literally between you and me, Zak our hearing will be different and odds are, so is our taste in music.

    Put simply speakers that suit you very possibly won't suit me.

    Then, to add to that, my experience is that amps that work well with speakers A, D and K don't ideally match B, C, E, F, G, H, I, J or L.

    Going one stage further, in my opjnion, the head unit in the car has the least influence on actual sound. The biggest, by miles, on appearance and features, but next to nkne on sound.

    Currently, the amps in my car sere about a grand each, the speakers were just over a other grand (all told), and the head unit ... about £600. Then there's csbling, installation, etc.

    In my view, there is no 'best' speaker, amp, etc. I rejected many that were more expensive that what I ended up with, but not on cost grounds. Rather that (in the test room) I didn't like the sound. So it's not even as if a manufacturer can fit "the best" regardless of cost because there's no such thing. Even Rolls or Bentley can't do that.

    Clearly, there will be many people for whom a "very good" manufacturer -installed system will be good enough, and they won't want go spend ages auditioning amps, speakers, etc.

    So fine, have a "standard", "enhanced" and "ultimate" factory option/dealer upgrade. But have "no system" as an option too.

    Point to note - from a practical perspective, that probably means the car is factory-built to order, not just pulled from stock. So when it hits the "install speakers" (or wiring loom, etc) my order csn simply say "none". And that implies weeks, more likely months, before delivery. No problem, I expect that, since most recent orders have had options on suspension upgrades, braking system upgrades, etc. Similarly, if it's as simple as cloth or leather, an assembly-line pre-manufactured car might work. But as soon as you get to which type/grade of leather, and in which of dozens of colours, with or without customised beading let alone individually colour-matched paints not a standard choice, and you're into build-on-order anyway,

    And if a manufacturer can do that, albeit some of it on factory-ordered cars, they can sure avoid fitting the junk speakers most fit as sound systems.

    Ultimately, sound is a bit like colour - I might love my colour choice, but you might find it revolting. ButI still buy to suit me, not anyone else. Hence, wanting "no sound system" as at least a delete option .... on a build to order car.
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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Hang on, you were against things that add weight that you hardly ever use, why does a full-sized spare not count?
    Dont get me wrong, I hate space savers, but i thought your point was saving weight and hence reducing emissions...
    A full size spare gets you on your way again and requires the replacement of one tyre.
    A space saver requires the replacement of both it and the full size duff tyre... potentially also not getting you on your way again, but sending you straight home due to limitations of the mini-wheel.
    Gloop only works under certain circumstances and may still require recovery, which means a big, heavy, polluting diesel hauler coming miles out to come get you, as well as a new tyre.
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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by Ttaskmaster View Post
    A space saver requires the replacement of both it and the full size duff tyre... potentially also not getting you on your way again, but sending you straight home due to limitations of the mini-wheel.
    Why replace the space saver? As long as the tread is still legal then you can re-use them. Being restricted to 50mph is only a big problem if you have a long journey. Unless you mean you will need to do another wheel change when you put back on your normal tyre, which is true, but should probably be the case even on a full sized spare since the wear won't be matched.

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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Hang on, you were against things that add weight that you hardly ever use, why does a full-sized spare not count?
    Dont get me wrong, I hate space savers, but i thought your point was saving weight and hence reducing emissions...
    nope... I want things that are useless, removed.
    But a full sized wheel, with a proper jack are essential, and I for one despise tyre mousse too.

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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Why replace the space saver?
    Because many of them are intended for either single use or very limited use - There's no official distance limit any more, but 50 miles is generally reckoned to be the maximum safe distance. There is, however, a maximum speed (usually 50mph) they're rated for and exceeding this can land you in legal doo-doo. In both cases, the tyre should have any restrictions written on it, but also check your handbook as there may be further restrictions for your vehicle, such as with RWD LSD cars.
    As is, space-savers have limited tread and are made of softer rubber. There have been a fair few cases where the space saver wheel could not handle an emergency manoeuvre and people died.
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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

    Space savers are often the wrong size for the rolling diameter of the wheel/tyre it replaces, so they're blummin useless, and it is a case of going home/finding a tyre garage etc But I'd still rather one than tyre mousse.

    Whrn you buy a tyre, you're at the whim of the price market. If they don't have what you need, you pay through the nose to get the next day fitment.
    (I've purchased two new tyres at a cost of less than the one replacement in the past)

    But if you had a full sized tyre, that matches, then you can crack on and await a delivery at a sensible price.

    Whilre we're at it... ALL CARS should come with a jack that FITS UNDER THE CAR when the tyre is flat.

    There are NUMEROUS cars that, with a flat front tyres.. you cant get the jack under them.

    That needs sorting... now.

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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

    Oh I agree they're for temporary use, not for driving on regularly, but I've never had one that was intended for single use, the handbooks I've read have usually put them at nearer 3000 miles, due to tread wear, not anything like 50!

    Mismatching rolling diammeter would be a pain! They should be matched to your vehicles wheel sizes.. and that's not very hard so I don't know why you wouldn't (unless we're talking SUV with stupid wheel sizes perhaps?)

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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Oh I agree they're for temporary use, not for driving on regularly, but I've never had one that was intended for single use, the handbooks I've read have usually put them at nearer 3000 miles, due to tread wear, not anything like 50!

    Mismatching rolling diammeter would be a pain! They should be matched to your vehicles wheel sizes.. and that's not very hard so I don't know why you wouldn't (unless we're talking SUV with stupid wheel sizes perhaps?)
    they're not one time use no. But people need to be aware of the need to go straight to a repair and not drive it for days

    You'll get into all sorts of problems if you drive a space saver for longer than an emergency distance because it won't pass an MOT, so it's not gonna be well looked upon by the blues and twos when you see them.

    MOT requirements: tyres on the same axle should be of the same type and structure and both must have an adequate speed rating for the vehicle
    Sadly, that's a fail on both fronts with a space saver.

    And they wear fast. Because they're so thin, they bear a huge load compared to the original, (though the narrow width is quite good in rain, like cars of long ago)

    A 50mph limit (which is normally printed in the space saver) isn't a good speed to be on a motorway either tbh

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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

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    MOT requirements: tyres on the same axle should be of the same type and structure and both must have an adequate speed rating for the vehicle
    Sadly, that's a fail on both fronts with a space saver.
    Luckily there's an exception for temporary/emergency use which is still what space savers are meant for

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    Oh I agree they're for temporary use, not for driving on regularly, but I've never had one that was intended for single use, the handbooks I've read have usually put them at nearer 3000 miles, due to tread wear, not anything like 50!
    The design specs I've seen rate them for up to 300 miles, but assume average most use will be 50. I certainly would not be letting a customer have their keys back if they intended to do 3,000 miles!!

    Some are rated for single use only, though, to stop people from driving round on them and doing long distance. It will say on the tyre what it's rated for.
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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

    tell you all what.. lets put some more down

    I think ALL FOG LIGHT switches, front and back, should be auto off when the car engine is turned off.

    All cars should have a default position (likely in the boot) for locking wheel bolt key to be stored, which locks with the car door key.
    All glove boxes should have a book pack holder that fits, by law.
    If a car has a rear window wiper mechanism fitted, the effectiveness of it should be required by law and part of the MOT

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    Well if we are on about lights, how about getting rid of lights that you turn on and only put the front lights on, not sure who thought this would be a good idea but the number of cars that you see that just have the front lights on, clearly something the drivers arent fully aware of...

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    Re: Essentials and Non Essiential equipment for new cars of the future

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    Well if we are on about lights, how about getting rid of lights that you turn on and only put the front lights on, not sure who thought this would be a good idea but the number of cars that you see that just have the front lights on, clearly something the drivers arent fully aware of...
    Is this still a thing?
    AFAIK, even if you put only the sidelights on, your rear lights will be on full automatically... and it has been thus since at least 2003 for cars, and 1992 for motorcycles.

    You sure they don't just have duff lights, as I see that quite a lot!
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    Its newish cars, and all of the back lights out at the same time?

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