TVR to close :(

[behappier]

The reason car companies dont manufacture in england is because its cheaper elsewhere....thats why the ones that stick to manufacture in england go wrong!

As for research and development....I think you'll find a lot of design work is done in england, the chineese can made stuff but they can't design a pretty car

Well, the Japanese Nissan, Toyota and Honda seem to be doing well. Sloppy British management killed all the other ones...

[Konan555]

Have you forgotton how many Formula 1 teams are based in England? Clearly they are are never ever nailed together properly, or have any development done at all.

Cosworth are a nice example, the F1 engines and road going engines come off the same lines made by the same staff. But it's small scale, not really applicable to a few thousand staff making a living bolting vehicles together. At the other end of the scale, there was output the Ford Dagenham plant to contend with.

Well, the Japanese Nissan, Toyota and Honda seem to be doing well. Sloppy British management killed all the other ones...

Nissan being managed by Renault?

[Lowe]

I think you need to open your eyes. Find me a properly built British sports car.
British sports car=badly built POS and waste of money in most cases.

[Butuz]

Nissan being managed by Renault?

Owned by renault. Totally different. In the same way Ferrari are owned by Fiat - does that mean that ferarri automatically inherits' fiat's technology, and build quality?

Butuz

[hitman67]

Owned by renault. Totally different. In the same way Ferrari are owned by Fiat - does that mean that ferarri automatically inherits' fiat's technology, and build quality?

Butuz

If they did every Ferrari owner would be in the s**t.

Got to admit I'm pretty disgusted by Badass's comment. Cars like the Lotus Elise/Exige, TVRs, Nobles, Bowlers (Sporty Car ) and they show no sign of breaking. 13 Bowlers competed in the Paris-Dakar last year, and 11 Finished. Now if that isn't reliable I don't know what is.

[Konan555]

Owned by renault. Totally different. In the same way Ferrari are owned by Fiat - does that mean that ferarri automatically inherits' fiat's technology, and build quality?

No, I said *managed* by Renault. In response to the comment about poor British management. There was also a question mark there as I couldn't remember if it was Nissan or Toyota. And managed doesn't mean it'd inherit technology either does it, it means....well... managed.

Cars like the Lotus Elise/Exige, TVRs, Nobles, Bowlers (Sporty Car ) and they show no sign of breaking.

You didn't just put TVR in the 'well made' category did you?

[ctid]

No, I said *managed* by Renault. In response to the comment about poor British management. There was also a question mark there as I couldn't remember if it was Nissan or Toyota. And managed doesn't mean it'd inherit technology either does it, it means....well... managed.



You didn't just put TVR in the 'well made' category did you?

TVR's have actually improved loads in the last couple of years with their build quality. They no longer smell like solvents inside . Seriously though, the newer TVRs are as well made as most other cars on the road, and better made than some.

I'm really disappointed with this news because TVR have always been my favourite car manufacturer. I wasn't too happy with it being taken over by a Russian businessman, but thought it would be for the best. Now it seems that they are still on a slippery slope.

[Gordy]

This doesn't surprise me, I visited the factory last year and it was far from impressive. Sure there was load of eye candy there in the form of 20 tvrs on show but the buildings themselves looked tired and run down.

I'd imagine the owner is doing this to try to get blackpool council on his side to let him build a new purpose built factory elsewhere as the current one isnt very good.

[Waka]

In the same way Ferrari are owned by Fiat - does that mean that ferarri automatically inherits' fiat's technology, and build quality?

Butuz

A mate of mine builds large (40-100 square metre) 'tellys' for concerts, sports events etc.
Last year at the German F1 Grand Prix he changed Michael Schumachers team from Ferarri to Fiat on the qualifying screens! he he

W.

[Konan555]

The F1 Ferraris do have FIAT written on them. Just not in the largest type.

[badass]

Sloppy British management killed all the other ones...

And therin lies the problem!

[badass]

If they did every Ferrari owner would be in the s**t.

Got to admit I'm pretty disgusted by Badass's comment. Cars like the Lotus Elise/Exige, TVRs, Nobles, Bowlers (Sporty Car ) and they show no sign of breaking. 13 Bowlers competed in the Paris-Dakar last year, and 11 Finished. Now if that isn't reliable I don't know what is.

Lotus are 80% Malaysian owned and the Elise until it had the Toyota engine has much engine and gasket popping problems.
Nobles are known not to have the greatest build quality (look on Pistonheads for more)
TVR's are badly built. End of.
Landrover anythings have major drivetrain problems.
I'm sure there is a British owned and managed company that makes cars properly, but they will most certainly be the exception, rather than the rule.

In fact, I've just thought of 2 Both have Waiting lists that are years long.

[schmunk]

I'm sure there is a British owned and managed company that makes cars properly, but they will most certainly be the exception, rather than the rule.

In fact, I've just thought of 2 Both have Waiting lists that are years long.

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or



Hmmm?

[99Flake]

Personally I have never liked TVR's. I don't go for the big brash type of car and have heard/seen so many horror stories. They are unsafe and there is nothing clever about them. No two cars were ever the same with regards to wiring and build which led to huge problems with diagnosis and things like boot lid catches were made of hand bent off cuts found on the factory floor. Also do you really think that a car that is made out of plastic should really not have modern saftey aids such as an airbag? I have no qualms with no ABS/traction and all the other electronic aids, but an airbag would not change the way it drives.

[badass]

Hmmm?

Heh - spot on!
I forgot about Ariel cars TBH

[BenW]

In fact, I've just thought of 2 Both have Waiting lists that are years long.

Mclaren?