...for those that believe the PC is the platform of pirates it's time to wake up a little!
http://www.videogamer.com/news/09-10-2008-9606.html
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...for those that believe the PC is the platform of pirates it's time to wake up a little!
http://www.videogamer.com/news/09-10-2008-9606.html
It's been available for a couple of days too
and not due till the end of the month!
I've got this pre-ordered for the PC - bet it's on the 'net before I see it drop through my door too!
I don't think the piracy is yet at the numbers that will likely plague the PC release, but interesting that the PC one hasn't been leaked yet. Certain DVD replicator factories are going to be in the poop over this.
Days after going gold........looks like they have a mole.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...goldmember.jpg
Its a reviewers copy, so not an internal leak as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy3536
If they track which company it came from they will be up poop creek, IIRC sometimes as they don't deal with a huge number they tag each one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent
Yeah but they have to be careful about that too - when Atari went after some review sites who'd leaked they were accused of just sueing them for giving bad scores. And that was with a comprehensive phone-home DRM to be fairly clear with.
Why not? Huge install base, modding is trivial and lots of info on 'howto' via Google.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
Two reasons - first it's not as trivial as just clicking a link in your browser. Second it detectably voids warranty, which most X360 owners think they will have cause to call upon.
...but they're cheap. Very cheap in fact, as compared to a single component for the pc.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
Risk = one lost 360 (~£130). Gain = £40 off every game, forever.
Youtube makes it look darn easy too.
Just to go slightly off topic:
Console piracy is pretty big but I do not know how big in relation to PC games being pirated. My friend comes from SE Asia and is currently working out there on contract. From Wii to DS to Xbox360 to PSP there are shops open that sell pirated games. What was even more eye opening was the ease at which he could purchase these games as these shops/stalls are more prolific than shops selling official games.
I do find it very irrating when companies blame PC pirates to stop making games for the PC platform.
Very few actually do. Rather they blame the dwindling revenue and increasing costs for PC games. They work hard to address both of those but piracy is one factor that has an effect on both (not through 1:1 sales lost though).Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepyhead
Looks on well known naughty site:
Seeders:
252
Leechers:
1987
That's just right now, not the total hits.
That's already quite a lot lower than when I first heard about this. I don't think it's going to lead to any significant revenue loss.
It's a snapshot of a single torrent right now - not all of them. Shame they don't publish the total hits as that'd be a lot more informative (along with figuring other torrents of the same file(s) on every tracker in the World).Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
I guess my point was (earlier) that this is going on, and that the perception that the 360 platform is any more impervious to piracy is far from true. I just watched a guide on how to mod the 360 and it's remarkably simple. I'm sure there's plenty of people willing risk £130 of console to get 'free' games thereafter. Certainly the price of admission on the PC is a lot higher, when a single graphic card will cost you three times that.
In fact, I bet most people will do it after reading about it online or simply because a 'mate' has done it. I've got a modded last-gen XBOX which I bought pre-modded (to run XBOX MC, console games aren't my bag if you hadn't noticed!) from a UK company. I DIY'd one later with a kit I bought which was a lot harder than the 360-mod to fit!
Sure, but my point was never that X360 is impervious to piracy (who's ever said that?), just that it'll occur in less numbers than on the PC. And that's enough of a boost to make the PC market (with it's increased costs) less favourable.
Didn't say you did :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
The numbers thing is a toughy - if 30% of all PC games are pirated, and 25% of all 360 ones are (total 'played' copies) which is the greater number? We'll never really know true figures so we're essentially fumbling around on a forum :O_o1:
True we're just fumbling. Claims based on patch downloads and hardware to software sales are that it's somewhat higher than 30% on the PC, nearer 90%. Of course that's a fumble as well, but a slightly educated one. At the end of the day that's not what they're looking at - they just look at revenue-costs and whichever system gives the highest number wins. And we get to see those figures (summed across all releases) in financial reports. Last ones I saw showed console games revenue outstripping PC games revenue by quite a margin, except in Germany.
Presumably ignoring the uber cash cows like WOW? Licence to print money n'all that (I just don't get WOW having tried it but that's me) :)
Still, look at this week's release - band of brothers: highway to certain boredom. And why am I not buying it? Well, because it's yet-another-annoying-wwII-fps game, probably complete with long, dull cutscenes and a barely upgraded engine. And that's ignoring the inherent flaw in WW2 games - the weapons suck: they're so old even the British Army have stopped using them.
I was having this conversation elsewhere as well.. one could be facetious and say 'look what happens when you have a DRM system that works' ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dangel
As far as my point about revenues goes though, I was meaning where you have one publisher releasing on multiple platforms, or ideally the same game on multiple platforms.
Funnily this thread has promptd me to look for the 360 hack, knew it was about but never had the inclination to do it. Seems simple if you have the correct chipset on your PC, and want to open your 360 but with the price of second hand games I'm personally not gonna bother.
Original xbox mod was much simpler to do btw, how dare MS make it harder for us?!! :embarrassed:
Does anyone know how the publishers are going after console P2P? Seems in the news they only seem to target PC gamers & movies so is this particular DL a 'safer' illegal move at the moment?! :confused:
I'm sure the new dash won't play nice with modded consoles though, manufacturers get a little more protection on consoles due to this fact (although Apple may disagree considering the news about them at the moment!)
you should of seen crysis warhead, think it had like either 20k or 200k downloaders/seeders and that wasnt all the torrents only 2 :P. It is pretty sad though, i cant believe it that the 360 version was leaked/hacked befopre the pc which is very strange, not suprised it came from a review copy lol.
Atleast we no its good now.
I think the fact is if it a good enough game piracy will not affect revenue.
I for sure will buy it if it's worth it.
Any news on if it is any good?
Raises an interesting point - do you think the 360s RROD problems are really just a very clever anti piracy feature? :D
See, they design the console so that there is a good chance it will break down, thus depriving any chiped units of the free repair, thus making a console mod less attractive, thus putting people off, thus less people do it, thus the word thus doesn't seem to make sense anymore because I've used it too many times.
Or maybe it's just not been built very well...
I think youve found microsofts plan.... will we expect pc's to follow? where a gfx card can just die more frequently than it already does :P.
edit: ment hard drives :P as that would be BAD.
:) It always has - many people will pick up a game for the multiplayer element and there's no way around it if you want to play on fat, official servers. One could say it's by adding value that you persuade the punters to fork out (and in WOW's case again and again). It sort of brings us full circle - back to the idea where if something is worth buying then people will..Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
also depends on the cd drive as to how easy it is to mod. The new ones dont have the same luxury, and almost every 360 that gets repaired now gets a new drive.