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Just noticed this and i'm quite tempted by it. If you go here its got instructions on how to get the NXE now.
The only thing you can't do is go on xbox live but i think i can live without that till the 19th. My only fear is, that my xbox will get bricked but i can't see microsoft doing that as i could have just put my friends hdd on who has NXE 'accidently'.
What do you reckon. Is it worth the risk?
19 days of no Xbox Live? No thanks.
As Stewart said, 19 days of no XBL is not worth it.
I decided that as i'm working alot soon i can go 19 days so i went for it. All i can say is that its pretty good. It's nice to have my xbox sounding like its not going to take off. The HDD installs are a great idea.
Well so long as its double legal to do so mate, otherwise the peeps here wont be too happy with you talking about it.
Its not a hacked software or anything. Its the beta version. the only reason you can't access live is beacuse your console id isn't on the database. Come the 19th every console will be allowed on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stewart
But you still do it at your own risk
Yes but if every console is allowed on on the 19th, then obviously apart from those on beta tests, you aren't supposed to be on until the 19th.
Otherwise MS would just release the file and say here it is, if you install it you can't come online till the 19th.
The software is the same software that is put on a xbox if a hdd from a NXE one was put onto a normal one. This is what would happen so msft even now about this.
This is whats happeningQuote:
In participation with this program, you should not move your storage device (hard drive, or memory unit if you do not have a hard drive) to any other console as it will also update that console. If an unregistered console is updated with the NXE update, that console will not be able to connect to Xbox LIVE until the NXE has been officially released on November 19th.
Hmm no XBL for a few weeks.. not good, especially with Gears2 out next week :)
It doesn't let you connect to live, yes?
So... Don't TRY to connect to Live.
Unplug CAT5 or wireless adapter and update?
MS won't know any different surely?
And its not a Beta version. The NXE is completely finished. Its a preview program they did to give people a chance to mess around with it early, and make people who didn't get into the preview program angry until Nov 19th.
There's no Beta about it.
No it's not and there is, I know :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackDwarf
what do you know that we don't finlay. Spill the beans :)Quote:
Originally Posted by finlay666
Finlay is a beta testing beta tester I think.
I thought Finlay had a job along those lines as i've noticed that Finlay always seems to have info about stuff before hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stewart
Wish i was a beta tester.:mrgreen:
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Originally Posted by finlay666
So why would 'e' in the last podcast by Major Nelson say, and I quote:
"I do want to be clear, we're calling this the 'Preview Program'. This is not a Beta. At this point the NXE is pretty much fully baked, and we love feedback, and if people give us suggestions, comments, criticisms, we collect that, look at it and consider that in the future."
Hmmm..I don't use live that much apart form demos & I currently cant get the couple i'm after as only got a silver account, ooh decisions decisions!
What it is, is that he's the top man behind Xbox, in disguise :)Quote:
Originally Posted by handscombmp
As for not letting on more than he does, well, something about his job being in jeopardy if he does blab, I reckon. Not a desirable situation in these times, that's for sure ;)
Because you don't get all the features in the preview program, and just like he said it's pretty much fully baked, there are ones you cannot access just yet, can't say what but there are :) . The NXE is more than the firmware on your console, preview by definition means you don't get to see all of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackDwarf
There will still be updates before it goes live, so as it's not released still beta
I have had the chance to beta test stuff in private stages of testing, other employees have beta tested stuff like Halo 3 before it gets released
Ok. So, here's the important question. Can I have a job please? :mrgreen:
I wouldn't ask me, I'm just an intern :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackDwarf
A few weeks of not being able to use live, be no different than usual then, there's a few demos I want, but MS still insist on hurting their revenue stream by not letting me play demos so I can make an educated decision on the game.
One thing they need to do with the marketplace is let you "bookmark" downloads for silver members so you can easily see when they're available. Also handy if you're interested in something but don't want to download immediately. But I'm just ranting.
To be honest, I don't see too much to fuss over with the new dash other than being able to create an avatar NOW instead of in 3 weeks time. I'd wait for the disappointment =P
Umm installing games to the HDD? :drool: The single biggest reason I'm looking forward to the new dashboard! I could do without every other change as far as I can see. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrii
I totally agree about the downloads, Mirrors Edge has been tempting me for days & I keep checking but have no idea when it'll be available. Some form of scheduling or even just the date in the demo details would be great!
A great feature that is crippled and made completely useless by the fact that you need the disc in the drive still to play it. So any noise or convenience benefits go straight out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob_B
So the mere fact that it's illegal to do it without because you are circumventing copyright protection?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrii
Have you actually used it? If not I suggest you do before you start blindly slagging it off.
You appear to be focusing on one small issue (which isn't even an issue for me)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrii
It'll bring faster load times, the disc only spins up on first load to check then will spin down again so no, it's not crippled as it does exactly what it should do & I'm more than happy with how it will run.
It's no different to any other console or PC game which require the disc :O_o1:
there is a video proving it makes the 360 quieter. Load time differences aren't massive though.
It depends on the game, I have seen 5-10s improvement on some games, thats pretty massive in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmileyUK
The noise alone is worth it.
You assume my intentions are bad, I am also looking forward to this feature, and understand why they want the disc in the drive. The problem is, it defeats it's own purpose by doing so mostly. And that is for 2 reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by finlay666
1. With XBLA games on your hard drive, the convenience is there for you to flick through you library and start any game without having to get up out of your chair. Having full games on your hard drive should hopefully offer the same benefit, but at the end of the day you still have to get out of your chair and find the game disc to play them. (I know, you're just lazy, but this point really makes me wonder what the point of the feature is). At the end of the day, there's no other way to make sure a game isn't installed on multiple systems, so we're stuck with it this way.
2. Noise. The main problem with the 360 is the fact it sounds like a jet engine with the game disc spun up. And nothing short of hacking the drive firmware will change that (Which I wouldn't suggest anyway). So the fact you have to have the disc in the drive negates this as well, as it needs to read the disc to start the game. My hope is they spin it up to verify the disc is in there and spin the drive back down again instantly.
Doesn't mean it won't be a handy feature, just the main reasons for using it can't really happen because there's currently no way to prevent abuse if they let people play without the disc. Hopefully they'll work on the serialisation for the next console. So that each copy has it's own unique identifier, stopping it from being installed on 2 machines at once. Although I thought they already did this. This should help load times for most games and also hopefully reduce noise if done right. So it's still worth using for games you regularly play. But it won't help impulse playing.
Anyway, this is just my speculative opinion, if I'm wrong, then good. I prefer to set my expectations low and have them exceeded =P
EDIT: I took 2 hours to write this reply and didn't spellcheck?
1. The point/benefit is to reduce load times (albeit by a small amount but still) & noise. So it hits all of it's targets, I don't recall MS ever saying they included this feature so you didn't have to have the disc in the drive? It'd be nice but it was never promised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrii
2. The disc spins up to verify then spins down which in turn reduces wear on the disc as well, I think you aren't quite clued up on what this feature does.
Hope this helps :mrgreen:
2 hours to write 3 and a bit paragraphs?! That slower than someone who is dead. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pyrii
I agree though. No disc sounds great, but if you are playing GTA4 and fancy a game of Halo3, even with both games installed, you still have to get the GTA disc out, box it, get the Halo3 disc in, etc. So yeah, its a bit quieter, but nothing to get all that excited about.
BIT that's the understatement of the century, I'm used to the sound in games now but I really notice a difference when playing XBLA games with no disc spinning!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stewart
So please explain how it fails at reducing console noise in game and reducing load timesQuote:
Originally Posted by Pyrii
The thing is that you CAN install on multiple systems, you should check your facts before you say things like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrii
You seem to completely miss the point, and with games like the Portal addon being standalone and available on XBLA maybe you will stop complaining about stuff you have never used :rolleyes:
Again are you on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrii
The console is practically silent, my pc makes more noise and it's great, the disc spins up when a disc is inserted and thats about it. I am using a Falcon 360 with a 120gb HDD which gives plenty of space for the games
Name one console where you can play a full proper game (not arcade/downloaded ones for obvious reasons) WITHOUT the game in the drive. How the hell is this any different?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrii
As I said use it before you start badmouthing something, otherwise you are just making speculative comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrii
Stewart, saying it's a bit quieter is like saying Black is a bit darker than white. It's a decent bit quieter IMO on a newer 360, I have to think what the old ones were like.
Well ok. I will reserve comment until I've got me hands on the update.
Does'nt seem a great idea now.
http://kotaku.com/5074010/and-now-a-...m-major-nelson
Rubbish 'article', nothing that's not been said before & they also state that they assumed too much, no bans guys, just no live (oh noes, big deal for some!)
oops double post!
What makes me smile is the fact that if we were to get our live taken away from us till the 19th there would be uproar but somehow we're happy to do it ourselves.
It's all a matter of choice. If we're to blame for our service being cut off, then how can you blame MS? But when MS remove your service, then you have a right to be annoyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by handscombmp
And some people are masochists =P