Xbox One Update

[lowers93]

I'm actually a Sony guy but i'm going to leave this here haha.
I don't know how many of you have already seen this but:

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Congratulations to Microsoft saving millions of sales.

[Zerox]

Xbox 180 (or One Eighty even) confirmed?

I am curious as to how Microsoft has managed to make such a move. From my interpretation of their press releases it sounded like the used games policies were in the hands of the publishers, not Microsoft.

But it does not matter to me. The fact that this policy is possible now surely means that it was possible when the Xbox One was released, and that in the interim Microsoft thought it could get away with such anti-consumer policies.

So I will still be handing over my money to Sony, however I am a little pleased to know that the consumers still hold power over the manufacturers.

[shaithis]

Bah, the one thing it had going for it and people are too blind to see it.

I can see next gen titles being 50ukp minimum now....and major titles more.

[jim]

I can see next gen titles being 50ukp minimum now....and major titles more.

I wasn't going to buy them at £30, and I won't at £50. At least with second hand sales there's a logical alternative. Not sure that makes me blind, though.

[Agent]

I can see next gen titles being 50ukp minimum now....and major titles more.

Maybe at launch, but the prices from this gen to the next won't be that different long term.

The tools used to make the games have progressed drastically in the last few years which helps with this a lot.

[TheAnimus]

It was also the whole not changing disc.

I've lost discs for my Wii thanks to randoms at house parties (okay, 2008 problems) but it is kinda handy not worry about physical media, when I have online internet.

The main thing is my TV in my lounge is old, it has no media functions, the idea of the XBox One doing all that very well, and not needing to switch disks to play games.... Thats good.

[lowers93]

I am curious as to how Microsoft has managed to make such a move. From my interpretation of their press releases it sounded like the used games policies were in the hands of the publishers, not Microsoft

If this were true why the difference with Sony?

[OilSheikh]

http://www.dealspwn.com/breaking-mic...cy-xbox-145076

[ZaO]

Are we over looking the fact that people don't want to be spied on by the kinect? You can't use the Xbox without it if I remember correctly? That's still going to lose them sales..

[technodean]

"Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience." Funny looking XBOX

[shaithis]

Maybe at launch, but the prices from this gen to the next won't be that different long term.

The tools used to make the games have progressed drastically in the last few years which helps with this a lot.

It's more how aware they have recently become of second hand sales and how much money places like game and gamestop are making on the trading of games.....and now they have an excuse to up prices - new generation!

Now that MS have done a U-turn, it takes the licensing back out of the content owners hands, meaning they will charge more based on the fact they will never get a slice of the second hand games sales from their own IP. They will want to make a lot more on each sale......we also will not get the steam style sales where games can be as little as half-price after a month or two.

In short, next-gen gaming will be expensive. From the hardware to the software.

The thing that makes me laugh though is I fully expect half the people who moaned about this have a huge XBox360 games library that they paid full price for........

[kalniel]

Are we over looking the fact that people don't want to be spied on by the kinect? You can't use the Xbox without it if I remember correctly? That's still going to lose them sales..

Is anyone actually worried about that? You can always turn it off at the wall or just put something over the camera/point it at the wall if you're paranoid.

[badass]

I was adamant that I wouldn't even consider buying an Xbox One. I have a serious problem with someone I have purchased my software from being able to tell me what I can do with it when I'm finished. I'd even considered getting a PS4 as It's time to move to console gaming for me. The thing that stops me from ever wanting to give Sony any of my money is how they treat their customers.
Now, post launch rush I'll buy one if the games look good and I don't have to consider giving Sony money.

[Agent]

Is anyone actually worried about that? You can always turn it off at the wall or just put something over the camera/point it at the wall if you're paranoid.

If you turn Kinect off (power wise), the Xbox won't work - you need to have it connected at all times.

You can 'disable' it though through the dashboard, but you're at the mercy of if you trust MS to truly have it disabled.

[kalniel]

If you turn Kinect off (power wise), the Xbox won't work - you need to have it connected at all times.

Yes, but I presume you wouldn't be turning it off at the wall if you wanted to actually use the Xbox

[Saracen]

I was adamant that I wouldn't even consider buying an Xbox One. I have a serious problem with someone I have purchased my software from being able to tell me what I can do with it when I'm finished. I'd even considered getting a PS4 as It's time to move to console gaming for me. The thing that stops me from ever wanting to give Sony any of my money is how they treat their customers.
Now, post launch rush I'll buy one if the games look good and I don't have to consider giving Sony money.

That's pretty much where I am. For me, the absolute no-no was the 24-hour connection thing, so good riddance to that. I also will not buy a game where I then have to rely on a website that may not be here in the future to be able to install or play it. So, Steam, or anything that operates in that manner, is a non-starter for me. I want to be sure I can replay old games, and to be able to buy, sell or swap second-hand ones, should I decide to. So, good riddance to that restriction, too.

I'm not entirely happy with Kinect either. I was never impressed enough to buy it as an accessory, so I'm not happy about buying it as a compulsory accessory 'cos it's built-in. Years ago, I bought a car and didn't bother to pay the thousands required for air-con. I'd rather open the roof. So next time I came to replace the car, I didn't get the same model partly because BMW told me the price had gone up £5k, but air-con was now "free". I asked the dealer what kind of moron he took me for if he thought I was going to buy a line of crap that transparent.

Ditto Kinect. Didn't want it as an option, and don't want it as a built-in feature I'm expected to pay for. And that's without considering potential privacy issues. At least as a plug-in accessory, you can unplug it.

But my main issue now is price. I'm not paying that for a games console, and certainly not until I see how the wind blows on game prices, etc.

So, it's watch and wait, for me. If console prices on the street are more realistic than the MS price, and if game prices are okay, and IF I decide to grit my teeth over Kinect, then at some point, .....maybe.

So I've gone from no way in hell, to "perhaps" .... but still doubtful.

Frankly, I'm astonished MS backtracked even on these issues unless, and it strikes me as quite possible, the previous announcement wasn't actually a decided policy but a bit of marketing kite-flying designed to test reaction and gauge if they could get away with it. And they noticed that it would be vastly damaging.