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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Great idea. Is this going to offer another performance level or be a power saving option.

    I can't really understand whether it will allow make a big difference to things that you would be doing on your netbook. Processor intensive stuff you will not really be running anyway.

    Would like one of these anyway; do you think it can cope with WoTs? (6600GT (No quite) and P4 2.2GHz (yes))
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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    I have read, and re read what you asked, but am not quite sure what it is you are asking.
    I will assume it is about world of tanks, and say that my brothers laptop with "just" 80 shaders and a 2.4ghz dual core runs it fine, and it would seem that the gpu on them is going to be a fair bit better than what my brother has.
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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    so still no pricing info that isn't to the nearest hundred :/ Hoping the earlier bench is true if price is same as a 2600k might be slightly pushing my aim for a 1.1k build :/

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Exciting. I'm holding off my upgrade to see how the bulldozer compete with i7.

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    It looks like he 14th of June is the launch date for both AMD Bulldozer and Llano:

    http://www.techpowerup.com/145122/AM...-Detailed.html


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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    just over a month off .... very exciting.

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Yup, hopefully this is the long overdue rumble the CPU market needs!

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    If these benchmarks are true Bulldozer maybe competitive with Sandy Bridge in lightly threaded applications:

    http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-net/20...rformance.html

    Of course until independent benchmarks are released it is hard to say how accurate these results are though.

    However,it seems people seem to want to interpret this as Bulldozer having rubbish single threaded performance! This is why a Core i7 990X is slower than a Core i7 2600K in PCMark Vantage!

    It seems there are a lot of people who want Bulldozer to fail. The forums are awash too with people predicting the demise of AMD due to the new Intel 22NM transistors.

    Are people so naive that they actually WANT a one horse race??
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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    It seems forums are awash with people predicting the demise of AMD due to the new Intel 22NM transistors. It also seems there are a lot of people who want Bulldozer to fail too. TBH,why do AMD get so much hate??
    There are haters, don't get me wrong. I think its just that Intel have delivered consistently for the past five years - yes, AMD may offer you more transistors for the same amount but a lot of the time unless you could make them transistors work it didn't matter.

    That and with the recent 22nm announcement, Intel have a 'wonder' attached to them, although this is more pro-Intel rather than against AMD.
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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    There are haters, don't get me wrong. I think its just that Intel have delivered consistently for the past five years - yes, AMD may offer you more transistors for the same amount but a lot of the time unless you could make them transistors work it didn't matter.

    That and with the recent 22nm announcement, Intel have a 'wonder' attached to them, although this is more pro-Intel rather than against AMD.
    I agree intel just having been doing a lot more from late but i'm actually excited about bulldozer. The 8 core CPU w integrated GPU; seems to be the way forward. I Just hope AMD can manage to get the pricing right!

    I wonder if you can do hybrid crossfire?

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    There are haters, don't get me wrong. I think its just that Intel have delivered consistently for the past five years - yes, AMD may offer you more transistors for the same amount but a lot of the time unless you could make them transistors work it didn't matter.

    That and with the recent 22nm announcement, Intel have a 'wonder' attached to them, although this is more pro-Intel rather than against AMD.
    I don't know TBH! In a lot of threads about the Intel 22NM transistors among the opening posts you are getting a lot of "cherio AMD" posts. I possibly cannot understand the mentality TBH. Even when Nvidia did some of its dodgy stuff I would never want the company to go bankrupt.

    That is really spiteful and a CPU and GPU monopoly helps no one.


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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Intel have held the high-end trophy for years, but that's not what most people buy, not even what most enthusiasts buy. I don't see how 22nm is more than just another die shrink, until I see some reasoning behind it, all this '3D transistors' stuff is just marketing plop from Intel who must be nervous about Bulldozer - at least that's the impression I get. If I wanted to just use words to promote AMD, I could say AMD have been using SOI for years with Intel still on bulk CMOS.

    I've learned to just sit back and laugh at the fanboys, after all anyone with a loan of the family brain cell would want to keep competition in the market. Understanding that, I have absolutely no idea what the reasoning is behind it? Yes, I may sound like a fanboy myself at times, but I'd be the same for Intel if the tables were turned. I'm just attempting to shield people from the crap they may read elsewhere about Intel being the only choice and helping people make an informed decision based on this.

    Going further with the die shrink stuff, Intel may have a smaller process at a given time but it means nothing in itself - it's just a number. While I've been following the game, AMD achieve similar results despite using a larger process.

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    Sandy Bridge E is 32NM too and is launching at the end of the year. I suspect that Ivy Bridge will have slightly improved IPC, higher stock clockspeeds but lower power consumption and a smaller die. Of course another fact is that Intel has probably invested a decent amount of money in 32NM fabs and it will take some time before for them to move over to 22NM for all their consumer desktop and laptop products.
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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Sandy Bridge E is 32NM too and is launching at the end of the year. I suspect that Ivy Bridge will have slightly improved IPC,slightly higher stock clockspeeds but lower power consumption and a smaller die. Of course another fact is that Intel has probably invested a decent amount of money in 32NM fabs and it will take some time before for them to move over to 22NM for all their consumer desktop and laptop products.
    I really don't get that (not saying your wrong, the general consensus is SNB-E parts in Q4) because i think on Anandtech it says the 'first' 22nm parts will be for the server market, in which case the dates are going to collide or be very close. :S
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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Yeah, it's a die shrink not an architecture change, just like all those before it. And just like those before it I expect it to be an improvement but nothing massive like some of the hype would have you believe. The hype would also have you believe that every 'tock' yields a completely new architecture when in fact Intel are still building on P6. There was a good article documenting this posted on this forum IIRC, I'll try to find it...
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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by Terbinator View Post
    I really don't get that (not saying your wrong, the general consensus is SNB-E parts in Q4) because i think on Anandtech it says the 'first' 22nm parts will be for the server market, in which case the dates are going to collide or be very close. :S
    Sandy Bridge E and Sandy Bridge are desktop parts. Sandy Bridge E is in the performance category and Sandy Bridge is in the mainstream category. The server category tends to use a different socket although lower end ones may end up using socket 2011(Sandy Bridge E) too.

    For instance,the current 32NM Intel Xeons are either Westmere-EX based(socket 1366) or Westmere-EP based(socket 1567).

    So basically the server parts could be either:
    1.)A 22NM shrink of Sandy Bridge E which means they can add more cores.
    2.)Ivy Bridge based meaning they bypass Sandy Bridge based Xeons.

    The following is a recently leaked Intel roadmap.



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