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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    I'm tempted to buy an AM3+ board now as I could just use my own CPU and change to a Bulldozer when the time is right but, I'm also not sure if I should be looking at getting a Llano instead.

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    I've been thinking about this a lot recently....I would guess certain games will see a giant boost, yet others will not fair so well against the intels.

    You would like to think that the most floating point intensive code was being run on the GPU......the main problems I see are (bad) console ports and games with physics that are being run on the CPU.

    More and more games are scaling better with additional cores and if OpenCL starts to get used for game physics I can see the BD design being quite a gaming beast in the future.
    GPU physics games now tend to use proprietary PhysX unfortunately and this intentionally runs horribly on CPU (if at all). The sooner it goes in favour of an open standard the better. For example, the Frostbite engine (Battlefield) is excellent and better than most PhysX implementations I've seen yet runs from the CPU and doesn't stupidly lock you in to one platform. Frostbite 2.0 (BF3) uses DirectCompute (GPU) apparently (yay). I mean I'd prefer OpenCL but as long as you're free to use any hardware...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
    I'm tempted to buy an AM3+ board now as I could just use my own CPU and change to a Bulldozer when the time is right but, I'm also not sure if I should be looking at getting a Llano instead.
    It depends what you want the system for - if you'll be using integrated graphics and/or no resource-hungry apps then Llano would be a good option but if you're adding a discrete GPU, you'd be best waiting for BD IMO.
    Last edited by watercooled; 31-07-2011 at 08:07 PM.

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Oh, will be really interesting to see BD BF3 scores then....it's supposed to be a lot more multi-threaded, so with that and the DirectCompute, it should really play well on BD.
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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Oh, will be really interesting to see BD BF3 scores then....it's supposed to be a lot more multi-threaded, so with that and the DirectCompute, it should really play well on BD.
    Only if the threads are integer, if they are all SSE monsters then the SSE sharing within a module will be a handicap. If only some of the threads are using SSE, then the sharing becomes a huge boost.

    I have no idea how this will play out!

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Only if the threads are integer, if they are all SSE monsters then the SSE sharing within a module will be a handicap. If only some of the threads are using SSE, then the sharing becomes a huge boost.

    I have no idea how this will play out!
    Well, AVX really. SSE is only 128 bit and doesn't have to share modules.

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Well, AVX really. SSE is only 128 bit and doesn't have to share modules.
    It does if you issue 2 SSE instructions in a single clock

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    So would you think it is wise to buy a BD assuming it will handle future games better than, say an i5-2500k?

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by EvanJackPenn View Post
    So would you think it is wise to buy a BD assuming it will handle future games better than, say an i5-2500k?
    Nope.

    Making any kind of assumption like that without much reason isn't wise Wait for BD to come out, see how it performs on a range of current games compared to a 2500k, and then judge accordingly.

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Haha. I guess I have plenty of time. And not many PC games would be using BD to its full potential as they don't know how to, not until launch. So it might come out a games hate it. But in a year, it might be like a whole new generation. I don't know

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    depends if developers can be bothered to make highly multi threaded games

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by krazy_olie View Post
    depends if developers can be bothered to make highly multi threaded games
    Or if publishers allow them to try something new.

    Would BD still be comparable in games with little multi-threading?

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by EvanJackPenn View Post
    Or if publishers allow them to try something new.
    I can guarantee publishers leave that kind of detail to the developer - they couldn't care less how many cores the game can use.

    Would BD still be comparable in games with little multi-threading?
    WE DON'T KNOW YET

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Lots of games are multithreaded now, and have been since this gen of consoles forced their hand really - single threaded performance on the console CPUs is pretty poor. Not every game is heavily multithreaded but then they don't all need to be, not when the GPU is the bottleneck most of the time. For games that are quite CPU heavy, Battlefield for instance, the devs do thread it well to take advantage of multi-core CPUs.

    I think single-threaded gaming performance should be pretty good on BD - each core would essentially get access to 2 cores worth of FPU performance.

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    Re: AMD - Bulldozer Chitchat

    Bulldozer might be released before the 19th of September:

    http://semiaccurate.com/2011/08/04/b...n-really-soon/

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