WHAT IS THE BEST CPU UNDER THE £200 Mark INTEL vs AMD.

[LaxBlade]

WHAT IS THE BEST CPU UNDER THE £200 Mark INTEL vs AMD. both AMD and INTEL HAVE SINCE LAUNCHED A NEW RANGE OF CPU'S INCLUDING IVY BRIDGE Whats the best value for money.?

I Currently own 2x i5 2500K 3.3 / 3.7Ghz turbo,(CPU'S) bought because price/performance they seemed the best purchase on the planet @£158.00 each and beat the 6 core CPU'S by AMD.

Especially in gaming they excelled and have be come the number 2. to the new number 1. 2550K 3.4/Ghz -3.8Ghz turbo (BUT WITHOUT THE GRAPHICS SUPPORT inside the CPU.!)

What'z the opinions of you Guys / and why??? Please contribute thats what the forum is for, as I know very little about the 3rd Gen intel CPU'S as I aint had time to follow from 23rd April.

[kalniel]

If you're not overclocking then the new chips from Intel, the 3770 in particular if it squeaks in under budget. They're faster than the previous generation, use less power, and have more features and much better quick sync.

If you are overclocking then at the moment and if you are just interested in normal CPU tasks it seems the Sandybridge chips are the more mature process, so if you're buying now probably stick with them. In the future the process might improve and the situation change.

[scaryjim]

Personally I wouldn't put the 2550k above the 2500k. You lose QuickSync (because that's tied to the iGPU) and gain 100MHz - which you can do on every 2500k by bumping the unlocked multiplier up one notch. Plus 100MHz faster than the 2500K is only 3%, assuming you get perfect clockspeed scaling in every application (which you don't, by the way). So in pretty much every respect you're better off with the i5 2500k.

Everything I've read about the Ivy Bridge ix chips suggests that if you're using a Sandy Bridge chip and discrete graphics there's no good reason to upgrade. Plus, afaict, in the foreseeable future the IB chips will be somewhat more expensive than the SB chips they replace (unsurprisingly ). So I'd say that for the next month or two, the best value CPU will still be the i5 2500k. The i5 3570k, however, is likely to end up being the best performing CPU under £200 (the IB i7s will be over £200, afaict) - but personally I wouldn't pay the premium over the i5 2500k.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Don't you mean the Core i5 3570K??

What you consider as best is dependent on what you do - I assume gaming?? The Phenom II X6 CPUs are still better at stock speeds in rendering and many multi-threaded applications than a Core i5 2500K at stock speeds.

I assume that you are looking at the best performance too and not price/performance too??

One of my mates is running certain scientific applications and a Phenom II X6 1045T seems to have as much throughput as a Core i5 2400. The Phenom II X6 1045T is under £100 and the the Core i5 CPUs start at around £130 to £140.

Performance


Gaming

At stock speeds

The Core i5 3570K.

Overclocking using stock voltages

The Core i5 3570K.

Overclocked with added voltage

The Core i5 2500K and Core i5 2550K.

When overclocking,it seems the SB Core i5 CPUs don't run as hot and need less expensive cooling. It seems,that once you start pushing the voltage,the IB Core i5 CPUs run hot.

Overclocking using extreme cooling

It seems the Core i5 3570K probably has the edge over the SB Core i5.

Rendering and Video encoding

Stock clockspeeds

The Xeon E3-1230 and probably the Xeon E3-1230 V2 once pricing is confirmed. Also the FX8150.

Overclocked using cheaper cooler

The Core i5 2500K and Core i5 2550K.

Overclocked using more expensive cooling

The Core i5 3570K and the FX8150.

VM work

Stock clockspeeds

The FX8150,Xeon E3 1230 and Xeon E3 1230 V2.

Overclocked

The FX8150.

Price/Performance


Gaming

At stock speeds

The Core i5 3570K,Core i3 2100,Pentium G840,Celeron G530,Athlon II X3 455,Athlon II X4 651 BE and Phenom II X4 965BE

Overclocked

The Core i5 2500K,Athlon II X3 455,Athlon II X4 651 BE,FX4100


Rendering and Video encoding

Stock clockspeeds

Xeon E3-1230,Xeon E3-1230 V2,Phenom II X6 1045,FX6100,FX8120,FX8150

Overclocked

Phenom II X6 1045T,FX6100,FX8120

VM work

Stock clockspeeds

FX8120,Xeon E3-1230,E3-1230 V2

Overclocked

FX8120

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

HMM! Strange that!

[LaxBlade]

I would appreciate if everyone sticks to like the rest of contributors and leave a price/performance ratio reply, (1) CPU not several or more, and its AMD VS INTEL ((NOT AMD WITH INTEL)).

FOR example the Celeron G530, is not the best 'CPU' for under £200 compared with even any SANDYBRIDGE i3 at even £89.00

I Hope people will select (one or two CPUs) at most in their reply... as the Question at the top of page was fair and clear. Thanks!!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I would appreciate if everyone sticks to like the rest of contributors and leave a price/performance ratio reply, (1) CPU not several or more, and its AMD VS INTEL ((NOT AMD WITH INTEL)).

FOR example the Celeron G530, is not the best 'CPU' for under £200 compared with even any SANDYBRIDGE i3 at even £89.00

I Hope people will select (one or two CPUs) at most in their reply... as the Question at the top of page was fair and clear. Thanks!!

Your entire reasoning is flawed so NO,I am not going to change my post.

Price/performance is dependent on multiple metrics:
1.)PRICE
2.)PERFORMANCE IN THE APPLICATIONS YOU ARE USING
3.)WHETHER YOU ARE OVERCLOCKING
4.)WHAT INVESTMENT IN COOLING YOU ARE PREPARED TO MAKE


Moreover,since CPUs are NOT used in isolation,the price of the appropriate motherboard and memory required are also factors. Even the things like the cost of certain motherboard features are also important and one of those include overclocking ability.

Even if you ignore platform considerations, and just focus on the CPU you seem to be talking about absolute performance NOT price/performance which are two different things. Also absolute performance in what applications?? Is it at stock or overclocked??

[dave87]

I would appreciate if everyone sticks to like the rest of contributors and leave a price/performance ratio reply, (1) CPU not several or more, and its AMD VS INTEL ((NOT AMD WITH INTEL)).

FOR example the Celeron G530, is not the best 'CPU' for under £200 compared with even any SANDYBRIDGE i3 at even £89.00

I Hope people will select (one or two CPUs) at most in their reply... as the Question at the top of page was fair and clear. Thanks!!

LaxBlade...I do hope we are not destined to repeat your previous stay here - keep it polite please.

[LaxBlade]

I beg you Pardon, I wasnt being im-polite whatsoever dave 87 (I remember you well), I was simpoly pointing out the rules of (My Thread) thats all I was doing.!

No rudeness of any description intended, but under the freedomn of speech a right to express ones views, I can be assertive to say what I feel is correct.

Now, Ive had enough of you and your friends thuggery, and bully-boy tactics, using the mods you are friends, with to somehow back you up, I'm the member

of more than one forum, funny its always this one I keep getting trolled at by you and all your friends, am I right? I could see you have only a few days ago

been looking at my profile once you heard I was back, you have either come down to cause trouble, or to contribute, whatz it to be.?

Im not afraid of your threats...cuz thats all they are.! I have a family to support I don't care, - so you will alll gang up on me sometime and abuse the

mods powers, your friends with, you just have to google Hexus.net - it makes good reading what others have been trolled and bullied too, so boot me.!

[peterb]

I would appreciate if everyone sticks to like the rest of contributors and leave a price/performance ratio reply, (1) CPU not several or more, and its AMD VS INTEL ((NOT AMD WITH INTEL)).

FOR example the Celeron G530, is not the best 'CPU' for under £200 compared with even any SANDYBRIDGE i3 at even £89.00

I Hope people will select (one or two CPUs) at most in their reply... as the Question at the top of page was fair and clear. Thanks!!

Roughly translated...

"Cat-the-fifth' thank you for taking the time to contribute to my thread. Although that wasn't quite the solution I asked for or was expecting, it is something I hadn't considered. Would you mind explaining some of the reasoning behind your suggestions?"

LaxBlade, if you ask for help, you might be gracious enough to accept it, rather than criticise the poster for not posting exactly the answer you require, particularly when the poster has the history and reputation of cat-the-fifth.

I fear that HEXUS may not be a suitable forum for you, although you are welcome to remain a member provided you conform to the spirit and ethos if the HEXUS membership. If not, you may find another forum may be more suitable for your posting style.

[DanceswithUnix]

Calm down mate.
Part of why I like this forum is that things often go off at a tangent to the original question, but it's always a well informed tangent so just sit back and enjoy the journey.

Sort of a vote here for the 2500K. Ivy is announced, but don't know when you can actually buy one.
I say sort of because I hate giving money to Intel.

[blueball]

LaxBlade, what you mean and how it comes across are two different things. I found your response particularly ungracious given the obvious effort that had gone in to producing it.

Just trying to let you know that others will see your responses different to how you may have intended!

[watercooled]

For what it's worth, and an attempt to explain why you're attracting the attention you are:

I beg you Pardon, I wasnt being im-polite whatsoever dave 87 (I remember you well), I was simpoly pointing out the rules of (My Thread) thats all I was doing.!

Unfortunately, it's not your thread, the forum belongs to Hexus. Demanding people answer within your requirements isn't likely to be popular; we're people, not answer machines.

No rudeness of any description intended, but under the freedomn of speech a right to express ones views, I can be assertive to say what I feel is correct.

Freedom of speech doesn't apply on a company-owned forum, there's a possibility they could be held accountable for what their members have posted. For example, if someone posted instructions on how to bypass copy protection on a DVD, the owners could find themselves in trouble with the media companies so posts like this would be removed.

...snip...

What would anyone gain out of bullying someone? New members sign up all the time and a great deal of them stay. Aside from the owners, all members (even mods) will have stumbled upon the forums the same way as you. I don't recall any trolling/bullying by members, and anything even borderline quickly gains attention from the mods. There's a great difference between personal attacks and a heated debate, it's common for members (myself included, even over the past few weeks) to hotly debate a topic in one thread but hold nothing against each other and for example help each other in another thread, or even take the same side on another debate. Of course, disagreement is occasionally interpreted as a personal attack, but IMO it's very rarely the case.

[LaxBlade]

I'm fed up with all this bickering, I really am, I meant what I meant, not want anyone else meant - if you take offense to what I said in any of the posts on this page, well those of you may be just kind of thin skinned, or Moreover, just looking for an argument, because I'm NOT part off "your years Long CLICK" between each other you are the very best of friends, so if there is a member you happen to "dislike for whatever the reason", (you then all back each other up!!) - Am I on to something here??

I never meant any offense to any member, but what Cat-the-fith wrote; was in my humble opinion was rushed, with no real thought in the "whole post, just a load of CPU's cluttered together", that's my point of view which I'm entitled to hold, and will not be getting any Kudos from me, for such a post.! - sorry I could be more honest, but I'm being polite here.. "so I'm keeping it so".

Obviously I'm not allowed an opinion at hexus.net - not unless its passed or vetted, by you guys, 1st which never has happened me at any other forum only hexus.net, because you all group together and hang around in "CLICKS" - IF anyone of you feel aggrieved, nor do not like the other member, you deliberately come down to cause trouble, and that not just my opinion, its been the view of others who have never came back again to this forum.. too.! - I don't need anyone to translate my English either thanks all the same, no doubt that will give you another go at me... but I'm no pussy! - I'm not afraid to stand up to "thugs or bullies"... (period).

I should never have came back in the 1st place... but I just wanted to prove a valid point, - which I think I have done very well... "so I'm moving on", and will network my experiences of Hexus.net forums where ever I go..."I will echo!!"" - Please don't ever make me out to be the one at fault here... Adios, Lax. - (I won't be back so you can all party! ...lol) that's what you all wanted.!

[blueball]

Son. You need to take a deep breath.

[Butuz]

This is a truly sad day for Hexus indeed.

Butuz