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    Lightbulb What does "dead socket" mean?

    I'm considering purchasing the AMD APU A8 3870k which has a FM1 socket. I've read opinions on the CPU that its FM1 motherboard socket is a dead one.
    Can anyone please help me understand what this term refers to?

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    Re: What does "dead socket" mean?

    No upgrade path. Socket FM2 is replacing it when Trinity is being released in October:

    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/a10-58...iew-32476.html

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    Re: What does "dead socket" mean?

    Thanks for the prompt reply!

    Btw do you think as a result of this, both the FM1 socket motherboards and CPUs prices will go down?

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    Re: What does "dead socket" mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by oa786gunneruk View Post
    Thanks for the prompt reply!

    Btw do you think as a result of this, both the FM1 socket motherboards and CPUs prices will go down?
    Maybe,but the A10-5800K looks quite a nice package. However with the £10 cashback from AMD,an A8-3870K will cost around £71:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-A-Series...6281244&sr=8-1

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    Re: What does "dead socket" mean?

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    AMD A8 3870K Quad Core 3.0GHz (Radeon HD6550D) 70.80
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    Re: What does "dead socket" mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by oa786gunneruk View Post
    Thanks for the prompt reply!

    Btw do you think as a result of this, both the FM1 socket motherboards and CPUs prices will go down?
    Frankly I think they are already discounted to sell. Most people never upgrade their CPU anyway, so a lack of upgrade options doesn't matter.

    I just updated my daughter's PC with a 3870K, more than fast enough for her uses and seemed a bit of a bargain.

    You don't list which memory kit you have gone for with the RAM there. Llano cpus are sensitive to ram speed, so you want a matched pair and not the really slow stuff (mid range will do and is almost the same price).

    What is your budget?

    Do you have a Windows license, or should you be including that?

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    Re: What does "dead socket" mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    You don't list which memory kit you have gone for with the RAM there. Llano cpus are sensitive to ram speed, so you want a matched pair and not the really slow stuff (mid range will do and is almost the same price).
    You really do need to make sure you get a pair of 1600MHz DDR3 for Llano. A few forum regulars were lucky enough to win A6-3670k bundles on a forum competition a few months ago (including me ) and we all wrote reviews, which you can find HERE. I looked at the performance difference in gaming between one DDR3 stick and two DDR3 sticks, and it was fairly significant.

    I think the question here is how desparately you need the new computer. If you absolutely need it now, then you will be very happy with a 3870K and shouldn't worry about upgrade paths because it'll see you right for years to come. However, if you're not in a rush I'd wait until Trinity comes out and see what price it is, then you can make a decision between paying a bit more for the higher performance of Trinity, or getting a 3870K (which should still be available for a little while after Trinity launches).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Frankly I think they are already discounted to sell. Most people never upgrade their CPU anyway, so a lack of upgrade options doesn't matter.

    I just updated my daughter's PC with a 3870K, more than fast enough for her uses and seemed a bit of a bargain.

    You don't list which memory kit you have gone for with the RAM there. Llano cpus are sensitive to ram speed, so you want a matched pair and not the really slow stuff (mid range will do and is almost the same price).

    What is your budget?

    Do you have a Windows license, or should you be including that?
    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    You really do need to make sure you get a pair of 1600MHz DDR3 for Llano. A few forum regulars were lucky enough to win A6-3670k bundles on a forum competition a few months ago (including me ) and we all wrote reviews, which you can find HERE. I looked at the performance difference in gaming between one DDR3 stick and two DDR3 sticks, and it was fairly significant.

    I think the question here is how desparately you need the new computer. If you absolutely need it now, then you will be very happy with a 3870K and shouldn't worry about upgrade paths because it'll see you right for years to come. However, if you're not in a rush I'd wait until Trinity comes out and see what price it is, then you can make a decision between paying a bit more for the higher performance of Trinity, or getting a 3870K (which should still be available for a little while after Trinity launches).
    The price includes everything (licence also) with the exception of the case.
    Is 1600MHz all that necessary if the pc wasnt for gaming purposes. Surely 4GB of 1333MHz will provide ample performance. Altho im not too fussed about adding an extra tenner for 1600.
    And also i will probably hold out til xmas as im not too much in a hurry.

    Budget is 250-260

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    Re: What does "dead socket" mean?

    1333MHZ RAM seems to affect the performance of the CPU too:

    http://www.techspot.com/review/418-a...apu/page8.html

    1600MHZ is the ideal compromise between cost and performance with Llano. 1866MHZ RAM is better,but costs more.

    For instance you can get 8GB of 1600MHZ DDR3 off Scan for around £28:

    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-%...9-9-9-27-xmp-1

    This is very cheap for 8GB of decent 1600MHZ DDR3.

    Scan,also sell 1866MHZ RAM cheap too. However,4GB of 1866MHZ RAM still costs around £27:

    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-%...9-10-9-27-165v
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    Re: What does "dead socket" mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by oa786gunneruk View Post
    Is 1600MHz all that necessary if the pc wasnt for gaming purposes.
    Unless you can absolutely 100% guarantee that no-one will ever play a game on the computer, I'd get the 1600Mhz. Price differential is almost nothing nowadays, so there's really no point in buying lower speed memory.

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    Re: What does "dead socket" mean?

    if you can get a good deal i think it's better to find a cheap pairs of 1866 ram memories...them goes little better than 1600, but in some games or programs it can be the little advange you need to be faster

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