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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

    Interesting stuff.

    I hope Acer update the W510 with the Z3770, would make a very compelling 2-in-1 for me.

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

    The Celeron J1750 is tested:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ance,3614.html

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    It appears if you run the SOC cold the benchmarks scores are higher.
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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

    Shame they didn't test against a Kabini-containing product: even if they'd run the AMD prototype laptop, at least we'd have a better like-for-like comparison with AMD's low power architecture.

    Be interesting to know if that 10W power figure is TDP or SDP - interesting to note that the thermal/power limitation clearly worked well to keep the Celeron platform hovering in the low 20s most of the time, but when it hit a hard task it shot up to mid-30s temporarily before being throttled back. A TDP 15W higher than the SDP could really throw a mobile design in terms of short-term overheating...

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

    The thing is the Z3770 tested before was the best binned chip with a lot of functionality such as SATA disabled and in an Intel reference tablet(with their own measuring systems).
    It does make me wonder whether any of the previews looped tests before getting scores,as it was done in an Intel controlled environment.

    Desktop models not only have more functionality enabled but also are probably binned to a lower standard regarding power consumption. Plus of course,the fact the motherboards will be more optimised for cost rather than efficiency. This is why I think, at least for desktop and sub-notebook usage,AMD might be competitive with Jaguar based CPUs. I think AMD has probably hit a process node brick wall ATM regarding tablet SOCs,although I did read somewhere they were hiring people with this goal in mind. OTH,it could be they just use an ARM based core instead.

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

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    ... it could be they just use an ARM based core instead.
    I do hope not. Since MS are actually working quite hard to make full Windows a tablet-friendly OS, I'd much rather have the choice of running full Windows on my tablet. If AMD give up and go for ARM in the mobility space, it'd be a pretty huge backwards step.

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

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    I do hope not. Since MS are actually working quite hard to make full Windows a tablet-friendly OS, I'd much rather have the choice of running full Windows on my tablet. If AMD give up and go for ARM in the mobility space, it'd be a pretty huge backwards step.
    It depends on whether Windows RT development continues or not. With the first of the 64 bit ARM cores starting to appear,it might not be prudent for MS to totally ignore that market either.

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

    RT will never run x86 apps though, so you're also relying on developers going all MetroModern UI, and also that you'll never want to run a Windows app that was developed before Windows 8 was released. Given Windows 8 is a touch-first OS, a small, portable consumption device that could also be made to act like a real PC when I needed one would pretty much hit my usage pattern on the head.

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

    The problem is that the ARM based SOC volumes dwarf what Intel and AMD are shipping though,and Android is starting to evolve as an OS too. MS needs to get their arse in gear with Windows RT for lower cost devices,otherwise you will be hitting the situation in the next year or two,where cheap Android or iOS based portable computers,start to hurt MS in other areas outside media consumption. Whereas I like X86 backwards compatability,I get the impression for a large number of people it won't be a massive thing. In fact I think that is MS Office which probably is one of the few barriers ATM,but you are getting more and more lower cost alternatives,and it only takes a really good one to pop up,to cause MS headaches.

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

    I don't know why MS don't just get their A's into G and sort the Metro version of office out, tbh - unless their plan is to try to migrate *everyone* onto Office 365 and do everything in the cloud.

    That said, there are a lot of programs in the office suite, so I guess it's quite a big job to move them all to a new paradigm. But if they could to Metro versions of Word, Excel and Outlook they'd have about 90% of their market sorted

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

    The problem with Windows RT is that I wouldn't trust Microsoft to keep the platform going.

    Windows NT ran on Power PC, MIPS, DEC Alpha and Itanium when they were in vogue. The processors were dropped at the first hint of an excuse.

    Windows CE was multi platform to start with, then they dropped PowerPC, then SH3/4 went.

    If you want a platform you can rely on, I think you need to look at Linux, or stick with the AMD64 instruction set and Microsoft.

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

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    The problem with Windows RT is that I wouldn't trust Microsoft to keep the platform going.
    That's a pretty good point actually - as soon as there's an x86 chip available that makes $200 Windows tablets a possibility, I don't see any need for Win RT. And it's not like there are any Win RT tablets at that price anyway. If Bay Trail and Temash make a good Windows experience on a small tablet possible while using x86 Windows, RT becomes kind of redundant...

    EDIT: I still reckon they need a touch-friendly Metro version of at least some of the basic office products, mind you: even if it's just Word and Outlook. Those are kind of fundamental to MSes enterprise strategy, and it must jar to have to switch to the desktop to use them. I find it kind of hard to believe that the standard Windows Mail and Calendar programs do a decent job of replacing full-featured Outlook...

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

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    That's a pretty good point actually - as soon as there's an x86 chip available that makes $200 Windows tablets a possibility, I don't see any need for Win RT. And it's not like there are any Win RT tablets at that price anyway. If Bay Trail and Temash make a good Windows experience on a small tablet possible while using x86 Windows, RT becomes kind of redundant...
    MS are in a spot of bother then. Unless they literally give away X86 Windows,you are going to end up with better quality tablets for the same price running other operating systems.

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

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    ... you are going to end up with better quality tablets for the same price running other operating systems.
    Not convinced that matters. Netbooks with various flavours of Linux didn't take off. The deciding factor will be when people start recognising the Win 8 start screen as being "Windows". That's all that matters. Once you've got that traction, consumer inertia will start getting more and more people to buy Windows tablets, because they know Windows and they don't have to learn something scary and new.

    And once you've got people thinking about a Windows tablet anyway, you can make their lives easier: thinking of buying a laptop? Just get a keyboard dock for your new tablet. Or if your tablet's a bit small, how about a lapdock? Thinking about buying a desktop? Single-cable desk-hub for the tablet (I believe AMD are already working on this). Once device. Take it anywhere. Use it any way you want. And frankly, it really shouldn't be that hard to achieve - we have the technology now.

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

    There was talk of Android 5 having that sort of technology, which makes sense as Motorola were doing some interesting dock devices for their Razr phones a while back.

    Drop your phone into a keyboard dock with output to a monitor, and it should be quite capable of running basic office applications and already has all your data on it.

    Edit to add: I am thinking of the Atrix, not Razr.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-Lap.../dp/B00519L43M

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    Re: Intel Bay Trail performance preview thread

    Yeah, I was seriously tempted by the Atrix when I picked up a replacement handset for the too-frustrating O2X earlier in the summer. In the end I just couldn't justify the extra expense of the dock, and the Atrix didn't have enough of the features I wanted without it. I've messed with x86 ICS in a VM though, and I think it (and therefore Jelly Bean) actually makes a pretty decent desktop OS - probably as good as ChromeOS - for general stuff (web browsing, music, email, basic office etc.).

    There's no reason that Windows 8 devices couldn't do the same: 7" tablet that docks into a 13" laptop dock or a desktop dock - one computer, three distinct usage patterns. tbh I'd even take having to plug it in with a cable rather than having a neat dock. I just want one device that fulfils all my computing needs - that's not too much to ask is it?

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