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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    EVGA seem to understand it with their higher end boards, some of the Gigabyte boards too.

    When my A8N-32-SLI-Deluxe from the socket 939 era does VRM cooling better than a modern board, something ain't right!
    Agreed.


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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    The form over function trend continues, sadly. Many companies seem to be focusing more on stylish heatsinks and fairly lights rather than the useful stuff like decent BIOS, quality VRM, etc.

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    ... When my A8N-32-SLI-Deluxe from the socket 939 era does VRM cooling better than a modern board, something ain't right!
    Depends on whether you think there's been no progress made in VRM components over the last 10+ years. The range of TDPs on the two sockets is basically the same, and personally I'd kind of expect at least the efficiency of VRMs to improve (meaning less waste heat) and perhaps also that they'd be able to cope with more heat over a longer period of time.

    With the same power running through the components, but better efficiency and longevity, you should need less cooling....

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    How easy is it to remove one of those plastic shrouds?

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Depends on whether you think there's been no progress made in VRM components over the last 10+ years. The range of TDPs on the two sockets is basically the same, and personally I'd kind of expect at least the efficiency of VRMs to improve (meaning less waste heat) and perhaps also that they'd be able to cope with more heat over a longer period of time.

    With the same power running through the components, but better efficiency and longevity, you should need less cooling....
    Less cooling I'm fine with. Intricately machined and engraved blocks of metal than dont expose surface area to airflow, not so much.

    There is win-win situations available to the manufacturers, they can design cooling thats both effective and looks good if they want.

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    Less cooling I'm fine with. Intricately machined and engraved blocks of metal than dont expose surface area to airflow, not so much.

    There is win-win situations available to the manufacturers, they can design cooling thats both effective and looks good if they want.
    Most of these heatsinks look like they got some middle aged boy racer from the 80s or 90s, who used to stick on random bits of fibreglass onto their car, to design them.

    Edit!!

    They probably have as much functionality as the parts they stuck onto their cars!

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    How easy is it to remove one of those plastic shrouds?
    Some of them are integrated into the backplate IIRC.
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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Some of them are integrated into the backplate IIRC.
    Guess I could always 3D print a new backplate

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    DwU will like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVUj...ature=youtu.be



    Look at the FX8350 in a number of those games when compared to a 2200G.


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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Look at the FX8350 in a number of those games when compared to a 2200G.
    lol, it has been superb value for the £125 it cost and the years I've had it.

    I'm just glad the thing runs games at all atm though. Was hoping to update this autumn, but now have an eyewatering car bill coming in (think top end threadripper and don't spare the high speed DDR4 sticks). Sometimes I think I should get cheaper hobbies, sadly my kidneys aren't in that salable a condition

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quite telling that the CPU usage on the FX8350 was only ever 50-60% whilst the 2200G was at 90%. Wasted potential?

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanoe View Post
    Quite telling that the CPU usage on the FX8350 was only ever 50-60% whilst the 2200G was at 90%. Wasted potential?
    2200G has threading turned off, so FX8350 has twice the threads. It is still fairly rare to get a game that can make good use of 8 threads.

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    My 1055T was a great CPU, handled games better than a lot of my friends would even believe! And as is often the case, it arguably outlasted its competitor CPUs in terms of modern gaming performance.

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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    GamerNexus has a bit more than the standard specs and price of Threadripper 2, in the video Steve covers the topology, die arrangement, and a bit more.


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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    lol, it has been superb value for the £125 it cost and the years I've had it.

    I'm just glad the thing runs games at all atm though. Was hoping to update this autumn, but now have an eyewatering car bill coming in (think top end threadripper and don't spare the high speed DDR4 sticks). Sometimes I think I should get cheaper hobbies, sadly my kidneys aren't in that salable a condition
    I would love an upgrade too - my old IB Xeon E3,is starting to struggle under DXO,and OFC after the secruity updates FO4 also dropped in performance. Also I have a mini-ITX system,so don't care about the higher TDP chips as much. RAM pricing OTH,is just stupid but you need to also not leave it too long,as exhange rates will be another consideration too,as unlike with consumer electronics,computing retailers tend to pass on any increases quite quickly,after looking at what happened last time.

    I will see what Black Friday brings to the table. Either a Core i7 8700 or Ryzen 5 2600 methinks. Use potato RAM.


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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    There are some rumours of 7NM Epyc having 4 SMT threads instead of 2,and CD from Semiaccurate had a very interesting article up and I wonder if this is down to Ryzen 3 having more threads per core:

    https://semiaccurate.com/2018/08/07/...-they-know-it/

    2019 is going to be interesting! Lets see how much of this is actually true and not clickbait!
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    Re: AMD - Zen chitchat

    https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph...t-rekorde.html

    The 32 core 2990WX hit 5.3 GHz on ln2


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