Seen this on a few sites now, sounds like the imminent release won't be backed up by a decent stock of parts.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-coffe...-limited-stock
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Seen this on a few sites now, sounds like the imminent release won't be backed up by a decent stock of parts.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-coffe...-limited-stock
Wonder if anyone will baulk at having to match a non-K CPU with an expensive overclocking Z370 motherboard?
Currently can only find the i3-8350K (Quad core unlocked without cooler) on Skinflint/Geizhals etc., but earlier someone linked to the i5-8400 (Hex core, locked with cooler) for $190 which is actually very competitive versus the Ryzen 5-1600. But the three Z370 boards are €120 / €180 / €477 which is a poor price compared to an AMD AM4 B350 or even X370 board.
Wow,Japan apparently is embargoed until next month for sales:
https://translate.google.co.uk/trans...%2F&edit-text=
It seems we are luckier in Blighty!!
Any ryzen CPU should fit in any 300-series motherboard, and overclocking doesn't add much on the higher end ryzen models, so I'm interested in how far up the product stack you can go with the cash saved with an A320 board instead of a Z370. i3 vs a ryzen3, at equal price, probably beats it; but that same i3 against ryzen 5 or even 7 in A320 is an amusing thought
Looks like almost a paper launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibbo
Personally no problem with matching a potential 8700 purchase with a Z370.Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
I do since it is piddling away money for no reason - I use a mini-ITX system so its not like the advantages of the Z370 do much for me. I use a B75 with my Xeon E3 1230 V2/Core i7 3770 and its more than enough for my purposes,especially since I really don't overclock(beyond all cores turbo),since it makes cooling more problematic.Quote:
Originally Posted by kalniel
Having said that if the Z390 is launching within six months it makes me wonder whether that will have a better upgrade path though.
Can you OC the RAM on B chipsets? Nice if so - seems many recent chips are responding well to memory speed boosts.
For instance I am a bit interested in the Core i5 8400,yet a quick look shows the cheapest mini-ITX motherboard to be £130 with the rest verging on £200.
Sure forum enthusiasts will piddle money for E-PEEN purposes on an overpriced motherboard,but whats the point of me buying a £170 to £180 chip with a £130(or more expensive) motherboard.
Its a locked chip FFS!! I could understand if it was a K series chip you want to overclock.
The Z370 will be replaced by the Z390 next year,which means like the Z270 its another short term chipset.
Plus I already have 16GB of 2400/2666MHZ RAM here which I got for £56. Plus I don't even need more than 4 sata ports,since again mini-ITX system.
So at the moment my interest in the Core i5 8400 has vanished since I am not paying £130 for a motherboard which features I have no use for.
Plus you honestly think most people overclock?? Not a single one of my mates who built Intel rigs overclocks them in any way and that includes the ones who bought a Z series motherboard thinking they would. Its bit pointless if you want a Core i3 8100 to then spend as much on a motherboard with useless features?? Even one of my mates on here,has a Core i7 6700 on a B250 motherboard which cost £60 running stock RAM.
I also don't want Ryzen MK1 since FO4 performance is not a big enough improvement to warrant considering it over IB.
Don't think the forum world=real world. The amount of people who run Z series motherboards in RL are tiny.
Its a really big mistake on the part of Intel to have delayed the B360 and H series chipsets til early next year.
At this point I might as well wait and see how Pinnacle Ridge looks before deciding on what I will get.
Edit!!
It also destroys one advantage Intel has over Ryzen - RAM compatibility. With Ryzen you need to be more weary of the motherboard you get down to its finicky DDR4 controller,whereas with Intel RAM is less of an issue and the motherboard choice is also less of an issue as it is more plug and play.
But by locking Coffee Lake to £100+ motherboards,it actually gives AMD a price advantage on the motherboard side too.
I noticed Scan have the low end i3 8100 in stock at £110 which doesn't seem bad for a quad core 3.6GHz part, but as their cheapest motherboard is the same price they can keep it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Its just stupid - I mean Ryzen is not especially cheap either when it comes to motherboards either,but by the time Intel gets the B360 out it appears,AMD will be ready to launch Zen+ too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
I think the motherboards should come with a free "Fleece me!" forehead tattoo. Possibly iron-on.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
<conspiracy>Do you think Intel are charging more for the chipsets that they are forcing us to buy to make back the reduced profit because these will have a bigger die than the old 7000 series parts?</conspiracy>
They kind of did that when they went from socket 775 to 1156 IIRC. That is when they started locking out features on lower end motherboards.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
About the same price as the Ryzen 3 1300X, similar clock speed (but without turbo) ... and locked, of course. I imagine they'll sell by the bucket-load in OEM systems, and I guess a few self-builders will get them ... it'll be interesting to see what happens with Raven Ridge though - quad core APUs with largish Vega IGPs could eat a hole in Intel's lower-end CPU sales.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
Interesting to note that the unlocked i3 is almost as expensive as the base Core i5 that Hexus tested. That puts it up against the Ryzen 5 1500X... :O_o1:
"launch"
https://i.imgur.com/SpK00yl.png
The 8400 is almost exactly halfway between the 1600X and the 1700. All prices from scan 5 mins ago, as are stock levels.
Are we likely to get any other motherboard chipsets before christmas? Because without anything other than Z370 I'd be surprised to see any 8th gen chips showing up in OEM systems in any serious numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by scaryjim
I have money ready for a coffee lake 8600k - but can't find anyone wanting to take it of my hands - as i've never tried to buy before right after launch of chip i'm not sure if this is normal or abnormal for hardware