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    Re: Really,Intel??

    Quote Originally Posted by Xlucine View Post
    ... So there could be desktop i3's with hybrid memory already in the wild? ...
    Skylake definitely had a hybrid controller - H110 boards came with either DDR3 or DDR4 memory support (and there's still plenty of both on sale if you hunt around).

    So sure, I could understand there being a switch over generation where boards could have either and the older chips would only work in a DDR3 board, and I could understand Coffee Lake only supporting DDR4, meaning that your older DDR3 chips would finally have hit obsolescence, and Coffee Lake wouldn't run in older DDR3 only boards. But for Coffee Lake to not run in DDR4-hosting H110 boards?!

    *shrug* I mean, it's not like I would've bought Intel anyway, most likely, but this kind of relentless profiteering and artificial segmentation? It really does them no favours, in terms of reputation....

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    Re: Really,Intel??

    What's the proportion of CPUs sold individually to those sold in a complete box though? Why would they care about long term platform support when their cosy partners also want people to buy a whole new PC rather than upgrading?

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    Re: Really,Intel??

    Intel tried the upgradable machine route once, with the Pentium Overdrive. Perhaps it is best if they stick to what they are good at

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    Re: Really,Intel??

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Intel tried the upgradable machine route once, with the Pentium Overdrive. Perhaps it is best if they stick to what they are good at
    They also had socket 775, where on the same socket you needed a newer board (chipset) for the latest Core2 chips, but you could still use older chips right back to the Pentium 4. If they can manage that, with the changes in architecture, production node, power requirements etc, they can sure as hell make boards that work with both Coffee Lake and Sky/Kaby Lake, and probably older than that.

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    Re: Really,Intel??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bagnaj97 View Post
    They also had socket 775, where on the same socket you needed a newer board (chipset) for the latest Core2 chips, but you could still use older chips right back to the Pentium 4. If they can manage that, with the changes in architecture, production node, power requirements etc, they can sure as hell make boards that work with both Coffee Lake and Sky/Kaby Lake, and probably older than that.
    At the time of platform design the Core chips would have been considered a risk with official roadmaps still calling the Pentium 4 the main product with an expectation of hitting 5GHz at some point. I don't think the Israel team were supposed to do such a good job it killed the P4, though I am glad they did

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    Re: Really,Intel??

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Skylake definitely had a hybrid controller - H110 boards came with either DDR3 or DDR4 memory support (and there's still plenty of both on sale if you hunt around).
    There was a even a few Z170 boards with DDR3 at launch, I contemplated getting one since I had some nice DDR3 sitting around and DDR4 was almost as expensive as it is now (and speeds were lower). In the end I went with DDR4 however since all the DDR3 boards were low end.

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    Re: Really,Intel??

    This kind of business makes me want Ryzen more, I'm thinking about just getting the 1600 or 1700 as it's all the performance I need although would like the best.

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    Re: Really,Intel??

    Quote Originally Posted by Fury559 View Post
    This kind of business makes me want Ryzen more, I'm thinking about just getting the 1600 or 1700 as it's all the performance I need although would like the best.
    Best is a subjective term - if the 1600 or 1700 does all you need at a price you can afford - it IS the best!
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    Re: Really,Intel??

    How fast do you guys reckon Ryzen+ will get to - 4.5ghz max? If it got to 5ghz that would be amazing.

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    Re: Really,Intel??

    Ryzen refresh (Feb 2018? Ryzen + I guess) is unlikely to hit 5 or 4.5 I think. Maybe 4.4-4.3? That's a guess there.
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    Re: Really,Intel??

    It appears someone has got the Core i7 8700K to work in a Z170 based motherboard:

    https://community.hwbot.org/topic/17...fee-lake-mods/


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