AMD vs Intel (2021)

[hakygi]

Those days Intel processors were considered to best.

Is the case is still the same?

What is the best one for Gaming?

[tazzrats]

I think the lack of replies shows you that this is an almost impossible question to answer, it all depends on your budget, what else you'll be using the system for, if you're buying new or want bang for buck pre-owned parts etc etc.

If we keep things really simple, AMD have absolutely come back strong with Ryzen, and every generation they are getting stronger (let's avoid talking about the FX days...).

I advise watching this for a gaming CPU: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01EhbmJAW-k

As a WHOLE, if you are a "casual" gamer and just want the best bang for buck, you cannot go wrong with a 5600x, a 3600x pre-owned or even new if you can find one will also give you insane value. There is finally a lot of competition between the CPU giants, and for us the consumers that's great news.

[cptwhite_uk]

Sub £100 = Intel 10100F (£80 at scan) - 4 core, 8 threads
£100 - £120 = AMD Ryzen 3500X (around £110 from AliExpress) - 6 cores, 6 threads
£120 - £150 = Intel 10400F (£125 @ AWD-IT), 6 cores, 12 threads
£150 - £200 = AMD Ryzen 3600 (anywhere from £160 new on eBay to £180 from Currys PC World) - 6 cores, 12 threads
£200 - £300 = AMD Ryzen 5600X (typically around £280 to £320, stock can be sporadic) - 6 cores, 12 threads
£420 = AMD Ryzen 5800X (generally available in stock at the moment) - 8 cores, 16 threads

Anything above this has minimal benefits for most gaming scenarios.

While the 5600X is faster than the 3600 or 10400F, I suspect you wouldn't notice in real world use, as they will all push high FPS (100-150 range, GPU allowing), so my recommendation would be to save some cash and get either the 3600 or 10400F (3600 preferably, but either is fine).

[Millennium]

I am considering an upgrade to 3600 from my 1700 @ 3.85GHz. However the improvement in FPS is not large enough to justify the expense. I am also lazy to rebuild my PC lol.
I think I will wait until I can spot another 5600x for <250 or wait for AM5 platforms.

[virtuo]

Best is subjective, all I can say is what's best for YOU is going to be different to what is best for anyone else.

Your budget and use case - even down to the specific workloads/games you play. If you are invested in a platofmr already, then it might be "best" sticking with an in-socket upgrade than investing in a whole new setup, at which point the perrformance to price of the chip might not be as great but on the whole you'd be saving outlay on a fairly similar performance.

Specifically in these low supply times, just get what is available, at the price you are happy with and not worry about it. Even if you got the "best" by general consensus, it won't be the best this time next year.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I would probably skip the Ryzen 5 5600X,for the Ryzen 7 5800X,because the latter is easier to get in bundle deals AFAIK,and the former tends to sell above RRP. Also there have been deals on CPUs like the Core i9 9900 and Core i7 10700F for closer to £200.

[trillo_del_diavolo]

For gaming they're pretty much the same now.

You can go cheaper with Intel, but you'd have to invest more in cooling, motherboard, and PSU to keep up with the increased power consumption. And since Intel relies so much on clock speed for IPC, underclocking/undervolting may not be an option for you if you game in resolutions that use more CPU, or if the games you play are more CPU-bound.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The 8 core and under models,especially when run at stock shouldn't need too much cooling IMHO,and the issue is that even a Core i5 10600KF is under £190 now.

[DanceswithUnix]

The 8 core and under models,especially when run at stock shouldn't need too much cooling IMHO,and the issue is that even a Core i5 10600KF is under £190 now.

I notice the 3600 is back at Amazon for £177 and seems to be dropping in price.

I wonder if that is going to last though, can AMD still be making them? Manufacturing cost must be damned close to the 5600X. I was expecting when the 3600 was gone that the 5600X price would start to drop, much like the B550 boards did once the B450 stock was shifted. OTOH, if the 3600 gets back to £160 we have a good budget option again. Not as good as a 5600 for £160, but I can work with that.

[badass]

I notice the 3600 is back at Amazon for £177 and seems to be dropping in price.

Whilst the rocket lake early reviews definitely don't give me buyers remorse, this news does. I know the 10400F is faster than the 3600 but I have no useful upgrade path. A B550 and 3600 would presumably support Zen 3+ with lots of cores so perhaps in a couple of years a noticeable performance boost would be available for just a CPU upgrade.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I notice the 3600 is back at Amazon for £177 and seems to be dropping in price.

I wonder if that is going to last though, can AMD still be making them? Manufacturing cost must be damned close to the 5600X. I was expecting when the 3600 was gone that the 5600X price would start to drop, much like the B550 boards did once the B450 stock was shifted. OTOH, if the 3600 gets back to £160 we have a good budget option again. Not as good as a 5600 for £160, but I can work with that.

Whilst the rocket lake early reviews definitely don't give me buyers remorse, this news does. I know the 10400F is faster than the 3600 but I have no useful upgrade path. A B550 and 3600 would presumably support Zen 3+ with lots of cores so perhaps in a couple of years a noticeable performance boost would be available for just a CPU upgrade.

The B560 motherboards are available for under £100 now,and have an upgrade path to RKL and you can run the RAM at full speed. Recently on HUKD the 8C/16T Core i9 9900 was £180 IIRC,so even CFL has some excellent deals too. Also at £180 I would take the Core i5 10600K for a gaming rig over a Ryzen 5 3600. Its generally much faster overall,and even if the Ryzen 5 5600X is quicker,its street price is over £300 unless you get lucky.

[DanceswithUnix]

,and even if the Ryzen 5 5600X is quicker,its street price is over £300 unless you get lucky.

I guess I got lucky, with that at least. Lucky in Ryzens, unlucky in graphics cards

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I guess I got lucky, with that at least. Lucky in Ryzens, unlucky in graphics cards

Its much easier to find the Ryzen 7 5800X at under RRP,than the Ryzen 5 5600X at RRP! OTH,my Ryzen 7 3700X cost me £215,and I got fedup of waiting for a potential Ryzen 5 5600 non-X.

[badass]

The B560 motherboards are available for under £100 now,and have an upgrade path to RKL and you can run the RAM at full speed. Recently on HUKD the 8C/16T Core i9 9900 was £180 IIRC,so even CFL has some excellent deals too. Also at £180 I would take the Core i5 10600K for a gaming rig over a Ryzen 5 3600. Its generally much faster overall,and even if the Ryzen 5 5600X is quicker,its street price is over £300 unless you get lucky.

2 weeks ago there were lots of b560 motherboards listed but they were all pre order so I went for a b460. I suspect at some point a BIOS update might enable rocket lake support. The problem is that with it being 14+++++++++++++++++++ if I want a more performant CPU its power usage goes up. I've limited my 10400F to 95w PL2 and a 16 second tau to keep the noise and temps down. Defaults for the motherboard were a PL2 of Max - i.e. 134w for ever! I doubt a rocket lake CPU will be able to be meaningfully faster within that power envelope.

[Duckboy79]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbWPYO_EaNU

I'm not saying anything, but Intel...... wow

[cbdeakin]

Well, I went ahead and bought a 10700KF preowned, cause of the less than great initial impressions of the 11700K. Intel has about a week to fix all the performance problems via a microcode update, it just doesn't seem that likely to me

I'd probably recommend a 10850K to those that can afford to pay a bit more. It keeps up with the 5800X very well in games, and you've got 2 more cores in case windows decides to download random updates, or secretly install some kind of Skynet AI