https://www.anandtech.com/show/17152...us-in-2022-ces
Liking the looks of this. Might upgrade when this is out later in the year.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/17152...us-in-2022-ces
Liking the looks of this. Might upgrade when this is out later in the year.
I'm interested to see how the 3d cache variants perform against the standard 5000 series chips, but I won't be replacing mine any time soon.
Yep, might be time to upgrade my 3700XQuote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
I'll leave AM5 a while to shake down on price, choice of parts and let them get the bugs out of the early motherboards before I start adopting that.
Is the 3700X not cutting it anymore?!
Looks very very smart. For gaming I think it'll be hard to beat, though it'll probably cost the same as the next chip up.
Knowing how much the 5000 series cost over the 3000 series,I shudder to think how much the 6000 series will cost and the motherboards.
Also,as nice as all these high end variants are,I really am interested in what is available under £300.
There seems to me to be quite a bit of movement in that area promised for later this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
My worry is two fold - quite when, and in what quantity, and how much of recent announcements is marketing gobblydegook smoke and mirror technobabble, and how much will translate into real-world significant changes, either at high, low or .... errr .... middle 'end'.
I will want to see a tuckload of third-party tests before deciding.
Honestly, the 3700X is working just fine for me. But I do max it out all the time when I'm working, so some more performance would be nice even if it isn't really necessary. OTOH one of my kids is on a 2200G still, and I think they would really benefit from a 3700X because I'm not going to buy them the 5000 series am I ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob_B
Which one do you have in the rig mateQuote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
R9 5950x and i9 9900 in my main rigs
Double post
Show off lol. I quite like the 5900x and it's the fist time ever using an AMD chip and no complaints hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
I had a lot of pain with the 1x00 and 2x00 series Ryzen chips - as much as I really wanted to love them, I just couldn't. The R5 3600 was great though and the i9 9900 does everything I need.
The 5950x is complete overkill for me, but the price was great and I had money burning a hole in my pocket, and it was definitely more want than need.
That's a 'my wife is a model and my mistress is a lap dancer' post mate :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
Looking interesting but I doubt I will be swapping out my current board/ram soon with DDR5 prices etc. but I am keeping an eye on the 5 series to upgrade from my 3700x, not due to needing it but being a final destination for my setup, prices could be effected but also intel are putting pressure on again.
The 5800x3D does look very interesting.
If I could order them from Amazon, they might be!!Quote:
Originally Posted by adidan
The really messed up thing is I stripped down the R9 rig at the weekend and it's sitting in a box, awaiting it's new home; which might not arrive until March!
If I had a suitable case for the R9 to sit in right now, the 9900 chip and ITX board would be up on Ebay this weekend.
Ha, yeah, save up them Amazon voucher codes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
You not got an itx case kicking about? A couple of months wait will be nagging at your head thinking your R9 is just sat there crying in a box.
I've always had the impression you live surrounded by cases stacked up on one another and you have to play a real life Tetris to get out of the room.
I think I have some cases kicking about in the loft but they won't be itx I'm afraid.
Loads of ITX cases, mate. The R9 is in a mATX board. So I've ordered a Sama IM01 which is pretty much a NR200 that can house mATX boards
Ah right, gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
This morning has been one of those where I dropped my brain down the back of the sofa first thing and I've been playing catch-up all day :)
Been a long day already.
I'm wondering if they'll drop a 5600X-3D to counter the new i5's, or if it'll just be a case of them dropping price to be competitive at that end instead..
The only AMD stuff I'm interested in at the mo is the APU stuff so I can get rid of the 3400G that's in my 'server' not that its not cutting it at the mo, but I did stick it in an x570 board for a reason...
I'm guessing they'll continue the 5600x and drop the price to compete in the budget class, once the 3D cache variants launch.
Unless, of course they launch lower end chips with the new range. I can't see it though.
i am pretty sure they said that they will realese only 5800x3D as a part with 3d cache..
I don't thing it makes sense for them to do any other ones.
Price drop on 5600x would probably be very welcomed as its getting a good competiion in 12400f and 12600f although intel motherboards are still to expensive.
12400f and B660 mobo makes sense though
I take it there won't be a 5700x at any point then?
Well the 700 and 800 Ryzen parts have been fairly interchangeable anyway. I assume they gave up trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by adidan
True enough. Presumably they just stuck to the best sellers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
most people bought 3700x instead of 3800x not even talking about "useless" XT version.
Price to performance is what counts most i guess. Everybody was counting on ryzen 5600 non X.. but we will probably never see it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by adidan
Yeah, because they performed more or less the same and the 700 was cheaper. So which SKU are they going to drop?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosUK
Well 1000 series had 1700x and 1800x but they dropped 800 with 2000 series and decided just go with 2700 and 2700x.
5000 series seems to be the most clear with just 4 cpu (not talking about the apu's) but that might be just because they were so dominant they didn't feel the need to make any other ones
TBF, with the 3700X still on the market and still a reasonable CPU choice, AMD could still make the cheaper sale by choosing to push the 5800X.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
But I notice right now there is hardly any difference in price on Amazon between the 3600 and the 3800X, with the 3700X more expensive still. It's all over the place!
I guess tray prices at any given point in time will make sense, but if prices have been up and down then stock will have been bought at different prices. Though Amazon pricing is a mystery...Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
I recently got one of those. Or rather the Intertech IM-1 Pocket naming of that. Was a bit tricky to get, ordered it from a co.uk address but it was shipped from NL or DE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
Must do a proper review, but I'm using with a full ATX power supply which is one of the reasons I chose the Asus TUF Gaming B500M Plus: it has the x16 PCIe slot one slot down which means that even with a full size PSU I get the full length GPU options which otherwise is only possible with SFX. Main reason I wanted mATX is due to the 4 DIMMs and extra PCIe slots so in the future I could add more M.2 even if I might have to run some at x1.
It's been years since I had a smaller case (I was on my Intel Ivy Bridge 3570K for nearly a decade). My previous case was AeroCool DS-200 which is a Define clone type thing. Got it cheap from Amazon warehouse some time: favourite feature of that was the case fan controller had a 0/1/2/3 so it could turn them off which was nice. Least favourite thing was a lot of the plastic is covered in this slip-proof rubberised finish is I was never able to clean without it becoming sticky. Horrible stuff. Still it was 65 litres.
For the new IM-0, the mechanical 3.5" drives had to go though: in theory there's space at the top for one and one more at the bottom (as you may know this case is almost entirely symmetrical and top and bottom covers can be swapped around).
In practice the bottom one is just far to close the GPU (if you're using SFX and a GPU in the top slot this would be less of an issue), and the top one blocks the best route out for warm air. Back only has space for a 80mm case fan, so after removing the 3.5" drives, I put a 120mm on the top. A second exit fan at the top would need to very thin when using an ATX supply.
SATA cables at the edge of the board (like this Asus I'm using) are very tight so might have to take out the bottom "traverse rail" thing. Also, I have placed some 270° SATA ("left angle") data cables in my ebay basket and might buy those as the 2.5" at the front really don't have much space for the cable. With a spacer it might be possible to place any 2.5" drives at the front in front of the case - doing away with the need for a 270° SATA leads - but I might place a fan there instead.
The new case is definitely louder than my previous 65 litre monster case. Maybe I was being greedy to go for a 22 litre case. A few more litres and things would be a lot less tight.
Yeah, I've seen that case under five (I think) different names now, but it looks like it was manufactured in the same place as the NR200; which is no bad thing.
I have more SFX PSUs than ATX ones so I can save a little space there. Other than the similarity to my NR200, the main reason for choosing it is because I already own a B550 mATX motherboard and replacing it with the equivalent ITX board would cost two to three times the price of the case.
So what CPU did you get?Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
Yes, I think SFX not only saves the one litre of space there are around 3 positions they can be mounted in, so that's nice. With my 3.5" problems, with an SFS supply it might be possible to mount one at the front. Of course I am not helped by using a Hyper 212 (159mm - officially the case only takes 155mm) as I cannot really use the traverse side fan thing to put any 3.5" drives there. And that is probably the best place for any 3.5" drives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
But anyway, I found someone selling a WD My Book Duo enclosure so the 3.5" drives are going there. Really don't need that much storage online all the time plus 3.5" drives are a source of vibration and noise.
So far it's more of a placeholder: got a plain 3600 on the OCUK forum. Had speculated that with Ryzen3D, some of the normal 5000 series might come down. Hasn't really happened except that that apparition of the £260 5800X from CCL which was posted (twice) on HUKDs, I haven't seen anything. I'm patient so no in huge rush.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
By my years old upgrade rule, I really should have doubled everything; so really might buy a 5800X if they ever come down to £230 or so.
Bought a 4GB 470 from the OCUK forums too; paid more than I got for my 6GB 1060 back in Sept'20 but not that bad for the moment. Did pay for Nexus Premium last month so I went wabbajack download crazy and have most Skyrim modlists hoarded. Without ENB some are fine with my card. Fine with around 20-30 FPS but some painful lows.
Speaking of used parts, CEX had a 1080 Gigabyte Aorus eGPU for abotu £420 or so a few days ago. Since they sell 1080s for £470 that wasn't bad. One day I'll give up building PCs and this time was the closest I've come to this (had "fun" with a MSI B550M Mortar from Amazon Warehouse which was faulty); then I'll grab a Thunderbolt laptop and one of those eGPUs. Not this time though.
I don't think Ryzen 5000 prices will go down that much in the near future,because not only are Intel motherboards £50 more than the equivalent AMD ones,AMD is now targeting the "upgrade" market who are locked into Zen CPUs. However,the Ryzen 5 3600 should be fine with your RX470 4GB for quite a while - even with a much faster dGPU my £210ish Ryzen 7 3700X seems perfectly fine. If anything I would just concentrate more on the GPU side of anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
I would also look at a decent TLC NVME SSD - I certainly found a decent SSD worked wonders with my modded Fallout 4 install which has a few 100 mods.
Fear you might be right about Ryzen 5000 prices. No longer the budget brand means AMD want to reduce their prices as often as Intel (never). Even against the 12400 they don't seem willing to do anything. Demand is crazy but abandoning the whole budget and value conscientious is very short term.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Mobo prices: well B550M boards were about +£50 of B450M prices (but I only really looked at mATX); now B560M boards are another +£50. I mean I was impressed with the MSI B550M Mortar (despite not working - more of a Amazon warehouse thing as they never test anything) and Asus TUF B550M as the boards are really heavy. But aside from VRM heatsinks, I keep expecting to find a layer of lead just to give the appearance of being solid.
Anyway, my cheapish Z77 board lasted nearly a decade even if despite being full ATX it weight half what my new one does. And before that the old cheap LGA775 boards (£35 or so) never broke either.
Already have decent TLC NVME: Corsair MP510 pretty much using the Phison PS5012-E12 (8 channel) reference design. I went endurance crazy and mine is the original 1,700TB endurance model. Had it for about 2 years now (at x4 PCIe 2.0 on my old Z77 board) and I think I've written about 17TB so far. Might have overdone it on endurance. Endurance is nice but next time I'll consider cheaper drives with lesser endurance rating. Still slightly endurance mad as I've seen these Intel DC drives on CEX sometimes. The DC 3710 is rated at around 20,000TB per GB; was tempted to get a 400GB drive and label it Scratch in Windows.
No end to crazy GPU prices. Had been tempted to hunt for an FE card and see if I could swap a 3070 for a 6800 with the motto that there is no such thing as too much VRAM.
Honestly if I was building a new system now it would be a Core i5 12400F or maybe a Core i5 12600KF. AMD is just overpriced now,and repeating the same mistake they did with the Athlon 64 era - ADL showed Intel is not out of it yet IMHO. I got my Ryzen 7 3700X cheapish because the box was damaged and I got a good price on my Ryzen 5 2600. I spent nearly 7 years on socket 1155 myself,and only a flaky motherboard pushed me to a full upgrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
Nvidia,according to MLID,is trying to drop RRPs,so I still think an RTX3060TI FE at RRP is the best of a very poor bunch. If AMD had actually released an RX6700 10GB/12GB at under £400 that would have been ideal,but they want to build more consoles(even for Valve),so this is more a self inflicted "shortage" on their part IMHO.
I have the 800GB model of that SSD,because someone on Ebay was selling one for under £40! :P
£40? That's a great price for a drive which at one full write a day should last around 50 years. I had meant to look on ebay but now that I have: none there at anywhere near that price ATM. Chia mining might be responsible although reselling ex-enterprise stuff is cyclical. I though I did well to get a the Pro dock for ThinkPad T540p for £10 inc. Chia mining is part of my concern about buying used: saw someone on OCUK members market selling a high endurance drive like the MP600 or FireCuda 520 or similar and they had managed to wear out about 25% of the drive: on ebay I'd suspect people would just gloss over that. CEX probably wouldn't notice - hence why I never buy instore as online they take things back no questions asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
I mis-read your MLID comment: NVidia are not considering dropping - that is reducing - their RRP; they are considering dropping the whole concept after grimacing every time a FE drop happens!
I could have held off longer upgrading: it all started with that 20% Amazon warehouse deal and the 'cheap' MSI B550 Mortar.
I meant remove RRPs not reduce them!Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
well amd had a good run with 3000 and finally managed to be even or better than intel with 5000. Intel responded with alderlake.. now its amd's turn again.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Competition is a good think for us .. consumers... hopefully this will be reflected in prices.
p.s: I was quite interested to see those NR200P clones.. as i have one myself.. i wonder which was first.. CM NR200P or the ones you linked. i like the case its pretty compact but can take some massive cards :)
i modded mine into "btx" and using sfx-l without any issues
https://i.imgur.com/lyzUpKJ.jpg?1
No idea who came first but wasn't there some talk that they come from the same factory?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosUK
Anyway, the Tecware Fusion version might be the best place to see all the colour and panel options which the others don't do. Or at least InterTeck in Europe don't do them.
https://www.tecware.co/fusion
Grey (the only one InterTech do), white and black with glass. Although glass panels are only shown in there first photo and nowhere else.
They have a nice summary chart:
https://i.imgur.com/OSGRELX.png
I had wondered what upside-down looks like. Still unsure as to what advantages it offers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosUK
OMG You have just shown me the (nearly) perfect case! :iloveyou:Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
Nearly perfect because I assume no dust filters?
Probably only nearly perfect as I'm sure it has some other issues, but it does have dust filters:Quote:
Originally Posted by badass
https://i.imgur.com/1Nak6R6.png
All four sides have those.
That the back doesn't is probably to be expected, but the front is not that nice.
Actually I mentioned considering a fan for the front: now thinking it should be facing out so it doesn't draw dust in.
Well I got lucky and found a slightly worn NCase M1 for under £50! :)
I am increasing thinking that they probably might not. Remember all the BS AMD made about Zen3 not working with older chipsets due to BIOS issues?? Well funny how those same old AM4 motherboards can now run them! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosUK
I suspect they are leaning on the existing AM4 users and hope they will pay extra because they are already locked into AM4. The latest rumour is AMD is attempting to compete in the sub £200 market by selling Ryzen 4000 APUs without an IGP,ie,Zen2 based products which will be core for core slower than CPUs like the Ryzen 5 3600.
Its why I said once people accepted the massive price increases with Zen3,that it would be not a good sign. Its quite clear they are selling enough at current prices,so don't seem to really care about if Intel is better for mainstream gamers now. Just look at their dGPU prices - I told people they played these games during the Athlon 64 era. The only way for them to actually drop prices is when their sales go down.
But even on OcUK forums people are paying £320 for a Ryzen 5 5600X and defending the pricing!
Some people prefer that to admitting they got fleeced.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
The PC building and gaming market is full of blithering idiots,who are clueless and they are setting the prices. I thought Apple fanboism was bad,but at least Apple fans will pay RRP(or below it) - PC fans just throw all their money,a kidney and everything apparently at "the precious" even with the RRP being high too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
No wonder we have stuff like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-week-on-habit
What are people learning at school? Seriously can't they do maths?? Is it the parents spoiling them rotten? Goodness I really don't know at times,how much stupid there is in the world. No wonder so much is going to the dogs! :(
Actually it's not perfect. Not at all. I can't find one for sale ANYWHERE!Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
I went with these guys via Google shopping:Quote:
Originally Posted by badass
https://www.grooves-inc.co.uk/inter-...100321924.html
but despite the prices and the co.uk they are not based in the UK. Registered in Berlin and seem to have something to do with dance music?
Amazon have it too though:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Micro-Tower.../dp/B097C6X4QD
And there's a link in that listing for £91 no idea why that doesn't come first.
If you look at those Austrian list people (geizhals.at, geizhalz.de, skinflint.co.uk) you see that the case is about €62 in Germany but didn't want the risk of imports in these post-Brexit times.
https://skinflint.co.uk/inter-tech-i...loc=uk&hloc=eu
The other names for this case don't seem to be available in Europe at all so gunmetal grey is the only option.
In theory Tecware, who call it Fusion, do operate in the UK but nobody seems to stock the Fusion:
https://www.tecware.co/where-to-buyuk
Don't despair - It goes under a LOT of different names:Quote:
Originally Posted by badass
Tecware Fusion
Inter-Tech IM-1
ITEK Case Evoke
SAMA IM-01
NOX Extreme
Cube Gaming Axel
Thanks both. When I've got the spare time I think I'll be changing my Silverstone Sugo SG02 with one of those. I have no ODD, and with M.2 slots on the motherboard now I don't see myself needing more than a single 2.5" tray for an Extra SSD.
well some people want a functional machine other what the best of the best and then don\'t even use it...Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
same with phones that some change every year.. whats the point?
as for amd pricing we will see whats going to happened. I am hoping that they have some aces up their sleeve still and that 3dcache is actually good.
i also hate cpu with pins.. so i am happy they are going LGA :D
Seems the ITEK Case Evoke is availalbe via Amazon.euQuote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07L8Y48RM
About £81. Still only gunmetal but for those who like the security of Amazon's CS this is better.
idk if there is a point buying that "knock off" case.. i see nr200p dropping to around 65-70£ very often..
i bought mine in july for 64.61
The annoying thing is that I didn't know about the ones available on Amazon until AFTER I placed my SAMA IM-01 order on AliExpress. I knew about the Tecware, seemingly limited to Germany and not available at the time, and the Cube Gaming Axel in the Malaysia area. I didn't find the others until after I received dispatch confirmation - a couple came up in my Amazon recommended listings afterwards.
The SAMA was available quicker from America but it was double the price before any customs charges were applied, making it more expensive than my NCase M1. Sod that
So, mine is on a slow boat from China and I probably won't see it for another six weeks. :embarrassed:
maybe try nzxt h1.. these seem to sell for 150£ everywhere now.. after the fire fiasco...
with psu and aio its a steal.. i still like this case
It's not a NR200 knock off. It's about 15mm longer and 11mm taller and has four PCI backplates, so it can accommodate a full 244 x 244mm mATX board, whereas the NR200 can just about manage a small 3 slot 226 x 205mm mATX, with a bit of tinkering; but so can the NCase M1.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosUK
It is likely that it was manufactured by the same firm that produces the NR200 for Cooler Master though - there are far too many design similarities.
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
There was a HUKD thread about the NR200 and I made a fairly cryptic comment that I was waiting for the mythical NR230: the 23 litre version of the 20 litre NR200 precisely because the NR200 nees to be about 20mm bigger I made that as around 23 ltires.
This is that case. At some point Cooler Master may actually release a mATX version of the NR230.
While not as bad as waiting for Ali Express, I was a bit concerned that my GroovesLand order wasn't moving (their trackers are a bit hidden), had I seen the £81 on Amazon (even if EU) I would have gone for that.
As for the 12 litres or smaller case: I of course wanted the 4 DIMM slots as part of the reason I was able to stretch out my LGA1155 to almost a decade was because I was able to add more memory towards the end. Also, I wanted the ability to add more M.2 drives in the future even if that might mean having to go down to x1 PCIe 3.0.
But what I really like with the DAN A4 and similar is that they are able to use the ribbon connector to totally separate the CPU and GPU area. Obviously the signalling required for PCIe 4.0 onwards makes those ribbon connectors expensive, but the other obvious thing is that folding a PCIe slot backwards like only works if the slot is at the edge of the board. That is a single slot ITX board. Would be nice to be able to do this kind of thing with mATX.
Guess standards are out in favour of fruit imitation propreitary stuff with no expansion and patended rounded corners, but it really would be nice if a successor to mATX or even all of ATX had the option to have one PCIe slot behind the board. The motherboard would become the separator in the case (there's no reason a board couldn't slide into grooves) with the CPU, and PCIe expansion being on the "top" side and the GPU on the "bottom" side.
23 litres! That is more than the combined volume of my NCase M1 and Velka 5. The Velka 5 is under 6 litres and can take a full sized dGPU and an SFX PSU.
The problem is a lot of these people seem to have no clue about the actual worth of these products. No wonder so many are in problems,etc if they are paying well over RRP for so many things!Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosUK
Yes, but don't think of it as 23 litres.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
Think of it like this:
Consider the NR200. Note it is 20 litres and limits users to ITX. Plus ATX PSUs require an optimal adapter (although I suspect cable ties could work too).
See the Inter Tech IM-1 Pocket, Sama IM01, Tecware Fusion of whatever other alias it may have, and think "for only 3 litres more" I could fit an mATX board.
Nothing wrong with small cases - I have a 4 litre ZS-A4DC and my 12 litre M1 but the 18 litres of my NR200 only really amounts to about an inch in each dimension over the M1; and the 22 litres of the Tecware/SAMA/Inter-Tech only comes at a cost of approx a half inch in length and height over the NR200.
I love my M1 but, if this case was available a few years back, I would've never bought into ITX. The tax is beyond a joke these days.
If some folk want to get snobby about it not being SFF because it's more than 20 litres, that's fine by me.
For an mATX case its definitely small! But the Velka 5 makes my NCase M1 look way too big. The thing is also I mucked around with some standoff,etc so can probably use a larger CPU cooler in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kompukare
I had a Riotoro 20L case mini-ITX,and I just found it too big. The NCase M1 is about the max I think I want to put up with - but I am one of those people who had Shuttle XPC back in the day and even shoehorned a dual slot card into one of them,but cutting off the side!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie
But I agree the RRP is way too high,especially as its made by Lian Li. I wanted to get a ZZAW B6 because it avoid the use of a riser like the M1,but I would have needed to import it from China so couldn't be bothered.
Luckily I got this secondhand NCase M1 for under £50 so that will do.
The Velka 5 I wanted because it can take a full SFX PSU,and quite a long GPU also. If you use a shorter GPU,you can actually install a few 2.5" drives at the bottom.
itx is all about efficient use of space.. but i don't think it it always matters that much..
you either go for something that small that its easy to transport in a backback etc... or you just build a small pc because limited deskspace or trying to get wife approval :)
I have my main rig in O11Dynamic but my media pc in the living room is in nr200p. I had nzxt h1 and metallicgear neo g-mini... I also build my daughters pc in fractal node 202..
Not many people need a fulltower...
Original tweet:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Zed__Wang...35718231052290
AMD will release 4 new CPUs this month:
R5-5500 6C6T
R5-5600 6C12T
R7-5700X 8C16T
R7-5800X3D 8C16T
https://www.club386.com/amd-plans-ry...r-lake-threat/
So a non-X 5600? Just slightly lower clocks maybe? How does the 12400 already compare to the 5600X though, doesn't it already beat the 5600X?Quote:
Budget Ryzen 3 parts based on the Zen 3 architecture are still nowhere to be seen, but the rumoured Ryzen 5s do hold promise. According to the leak, Ryzen 5 5500 will go head-to-head with the $122 Core i3-12100, while the SMT-enabled Ryzen 5 5600 will attempt to undercut the impressive $192 Core i5-12400.
They trade blows in gaming, the Intel chip seems overall better in getting actual work done. So perhaps AMD are pitching the 5700X against that chip which with two more cores would be pretty decisive. Will have to watch for pricing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob_B
Better watch DDR pricing too, especially for Intel 12th Gen. Yes, you can partner with a DDR4 mobo but the degree of mobo choice seems to be much more limited, and at least for now, there seems to be a very significant difference to memory pricing, per GB. A difference in speed, too, though I suspect how much that matters is very dependent on exactly what the system is going to be used to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
The next few months, maybe the whole year, is going to be .... complicated. I'm tempted by 12th Gen (or R6000 as and when) and DDR5 but largely because the 'changeover' period tends to suggest there may be significant opportunities to take advantage of price pressure on old-gen .... if I can time it right.