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    Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sony exec Kaz Hirai, March 2006
    The PS3 will feature backwards compatibility with PS and PS2 games from day one.

    I'm emphasizing this because, from what I hear, there are some platforms that haven't been able to completely do this. It's costly in terms of hardware, but we'd rather invest firmly on compatibility from the beginning, rather than to have issues later on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sony exec Phil Harrison, December 2006
    Backwards compatibility, as you know from PlayStation One and PlayStation 2, is a core value of what we believe we should offer. And access to the library of content people have created, bought for themselves, and accumulated over the years is necessary to create a format. PlayStation is a format meaning that it transcends many devices -- PSOne, PS2, and now PS3
    Quote Originally Posted by Sony exec David Reeves, February 2007
    The backwards compatibility [of the European PS3] is not going to be as good as the U.S. and Japan models.

    Software will take over some of the functionality that was originally taken care of by dedicated chips, which means far fewer PlayStation 2 (PS2) games can be played on a European PS3 compared with the Japanese and American PS3 models which play 98 percent of old games.
    The 40GB PS3 was announced recently. It removes the PS3's multi-card reader (so you can't use it to view photos from digital cameras etc). It halves the number of USB ports on the console. And it removes all PS2 backward compatibility from the console entirely, even though they already have their emulator written & working. The 60GB unit, which has a software emulator, is no longer being produced - store stock is all that remains.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sony spokesman Nick Sharples, October 2007
    We have made clear on many occasions that our priority is on developing innovative new features and services for PS3 and not on backwards compatibility. The 40GB model no longer contains any elements of the PS2 chip set which powered backwards compatibility in previous models, and is therefore only compatible with PS one titles
    A "core value of what we believe we should offer"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sony exec Kaz Hirai, April 2006
    The issue... is trying to isolate the vibration feature from the motion sensors. Is it technically feasible? Absolutely. But the balancing act that you need to do, is to be able to present the controller to the consumer at an affordable price.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sony exec Jack Tretton, September 2006
    We sacrificed the rumble ability, because it would interfere with the new motion sensors. We feel motion sensing technology allows the player to be much more proactively connected to the game, than the passive, reactionary rumble technology. Given this design decision, there are no plans to discuss rumble further with Immersion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sony exec Kaz Hirai, March 2007
    We look forward to exploring with [rumbling controllers patent holder] Immersion exciting new ways to bring the largest and best range of gameplay experiences to our customers. We are very excited about our new partnership with Immersion and the potential for new and innovative products incorporating their technologies.
    At the Tokyo Games Show this year, Sony announced the exciting new Dual Shock 3 controller - a SIXAXIS with rumble support.

    Dual Shock 3 won't be released in the west until 2008. And it won't be bundled with the console for the foreseeable future. Any PS3 you buy today will come with an obsolete controller - and even the new 40GB model will only come with the rumble-free SIXAXIS.



    Can someone explain to me just why Sony are so damned desperate to keep the PS3 as an uninteresting purchase? Are they desperate not to sell units?

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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    The 40 gig is just the low end "core" model.

    The 60 gig will be replaced with the new 80 gig model once the stock depletes.

    If you want all the bows and whistles buy the 60 or 80 gig system.

    Everyone moaned that the price was too high, so Sony provides a system with a few less frills, and a much lower price, and now everyone is moaning that it's cut down?

    The controller is a complete non-issue, unless you want to use it as a half-arsed cheap shot.

    Lets face it, it doesn't matter what Sony does now, most people here will bash them regardless.
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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoo View Post
    The 40 gig is just the low end "core" model.

    The 60 gig will be replaced with the new 80 gig model once the stock depletes.

    If you want all the bows and whistles buy the 60 or 80 gig system.

    Everyone moaned that the price was too high, so Sony provides a system with a few less frills, and a much lower price, and now everyone is moaning that it's cut down?

    The controller is a complete non-issue, unless you want to use it as a half-arsed cheap shot.

    Lets face it, it doesn't matter what Sony does now, most people here will bash them regardless.
    how is he bashing them? He isnt having a go for them changing stuff he's pointing out that they've totally gone back on what they said

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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?
    Well, a little from column A and a little from column B.

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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    Does anyone really care about rumble? is no big deal imo.

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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    £350 for a complete 60gb with 2 games is frankly an amazing deal, and come wednesday I shall be taking one home

    as for the 40gb, i really doubt they just took out the ps2 compatablity so they couyld lower costs, if it was a really important feature to consumers then I think they would have kept it. However i've heard rumours (well read them) that the 80gb SKU will be arriving once the 60gb runs out.

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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    The new 80gb version have backwards compatibility, right?

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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    I couldnt care less about the PS3 until it actually has some games i want to play on it. As for leaving out the SOFTWARE emulation, thats quite possibly the most retarded thing ever, surely it would cost them NOTHING to put that on. They have quite possible the most laughably bad product launch in a long time, how many promises can be broken, are there any left?
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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barrichello View Post
    Does anyone really care about rumble? is no big deal imo.
    Errr... Sony obviously care enough about rumble to pre-announce their "new" rumble pads about six months in advance. A year after announcing that rumble is last-gen.

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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinJim View Post
    Errr... Sony obviously care enough about rumble to pre-announce their "new" rumble pads about six months in advance. A year after announcing that rumble is last-gen.
    and developers, including developers of sony's biggest franchises, are also delighted to have it

    if they care, perhaps you should?

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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    Fact is, in the real world, me, who is a real person, now has a choice - a very expensive black box with hardly any games worth playing, or a slightly less expensive black box that melts itself after a day or so.

    I think a well done all round is called for. Sony and Microsoft rule so hard.

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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    ...PS3 is all about the blue ray player and just a pawn to claw more ground in this HD format war we love to read about. PS3 launch was stuffed, the non-rumbley pads are not nice by a long stick, Sony back tracked and sidestepped... Good post.
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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by spazman View Post
    I couldnt care less about the PS3 until it actually has some games i want to play on it. As for leaving out the SOFTWARE emulation, thats quite possibly the most retarded thing ever, surely it would cost them NOTHING to put that on. They have quite possible the most laughably bad product launch in a long time, how many promises can be broken, are there any left?
    It's not just software emulation, they removed the emotion engine from the euro-PS3s and the US-80GB, but not all of the PS2 chipset. The new 40GB is devoid of any PS2 chips, the PS1 was already fully software emulated on all versions of PS3 hence why it was left in.

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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoo View Post
    Everyone moaned that the price was too high, so Sony provides a system with a few less frills, and a much lower price, and now everyone is moaning that it's cut down?
    Ummm, yeah. Sure they do. They're being offered a lot for a lot of money or less for less money. What people actually want is a lot for less money and they'll complain if they don't get it, whether it's reasonable or not.
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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    lol many people really getting worked up about this, does entertain the question - why?

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    Re: Do Sony hate their customers, or are they just stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barrichello View Post
    lol many people really getting worked up about this, does entertain the question - why?
    Ooh, who? Link?

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