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    Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    But seriously, after reading the discussion going on about MGS4 getting 10/10 it made me think about the old question of whether assigning number or a percentage to a game to illustrate the quality is really the right way to do things?

    It just seems a bit silly to me, arguing whether a game deserves an 8, 9 or 10 when the review is entirely subjective anyway. In the case of MGS4, people are arguing whether Eurogamer's 8 was actually a good enough score or not (I generally assume an 8 is a pretty good score), or whether OPSM were justified in giving it a 10 when they apparently wanted to go higher (though I assume that's more down to Sony's Marketing dept. than actual editorial decision). And I really don't see how reviews assign numbers on a 100 scale, do they just flip a coin to decide between 87% and 88%?

    I seem to remember an issue of Edge when they deliberately left out any scores on their reviews so you'd actually have to read the opinions of the reviewers, but it didn't go down well that I recall.

    I actually found reading Eurogamer's scoring policy quite amusing: The Eurogamer scoring system /// Eurogamer
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    Re: Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    Well yeah, all that happens without score is that people just ask you 'which is better in your opinon - X or Y?' And they want a simple answer. The score system just enables people to make quick off the cuff comparisons between two games in general, assuming you have a general outlook on gaming yourself (like the reviewer should).

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    Re: Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    Well you just ignore any review score given to any game by any mag that has 'official' in the title.

    Also, the last 10 game, GTAIV was clearly not a 10, nothing like a 10, not even close to a 10.

    So, erm... there.

    Sorry, that post sort of went out with a wimper.

    EDIT - Actually, just had a look, IGN gave MGS4 a 9.9, aparently they learned their lesson from GTAIV, which is never say a game is perfect, because then you look stupid. So they are saying MGS4 is nearly perfect, so when it turns out not to be, they will look stupid.

    Not quite learned their lesson then. Although 9.9 is a far more sensible score than 10.
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    Re: Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    i'm not so concerned about very very good games getting 10/10

    i'm more concerned about average games getting 7/10

    average is 5/10 by definition, you arses!

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    Re: Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    Nah Hex, it works like this:

    0-5 - Mind meltingly bad. Probably just a re-release of ET on the Atari. Probably gives you AIDS.

    5-8 - Average, slightly disappointing game, didn't live up to the hype.

    9-10 - Pretty good.

    Going on IGNs review scores over the last year or so, thats how it works.

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    Re: Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart View Post
    Nah Hex, it works like this:

    0-5 - Mind meltingly bad. Probably just a re-release of ET on the Atari. Probably gives you AIDS.

    5-8 - Average, slightly disappointing game, didn't live up to the hype.

    9-10 - Pretty good.

    Going on IGNs review scores over the last year or so, thats how it works.
    you think you're joking, but you're not

    gamespot reviews, to august 2006:


    ign reviews, to august 2006:


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    Re: Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    I didn't think I was joking, IGN are well known for going over the top, and if I see a game get an 8 on that site, I'm disappointed, because an 8 on IGN means its ok.

    Crazy really, as an 8 should be a good score, but if GTA4 is a 10, then IGN have broken numbers.

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    Re: Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    The numbering system is fine, to an extent. It means that when you have a list of games, and you don't have any prior knowledge of them, you can pick out which are the most likely to be better.

    A 10 doesn't neccessarily mean it's perfect, just superlative: and while GTA4 has its faults I think it's hard to dispute that amongst current and past games its quality clearly stands out.

    Of course, relying on a score to completely describe a game is stupid. As has been mentioned every game is subjective: some people worship Final Fantasy 7, while some think it's very very boring - they're just not into turn based combat and reading masses of text.

    As ever, you should read a review (or if possible watch it) to see why the reviewer thought it was fun, and to see what the reviewer was dissappointed in.

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    Re: Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual Monkey View Post
    A 10 doesn't neccessarily mean it's perfect, just superlative: and while GTA4 has its faults I think it's hard to dispute that amongst current and past games its quality clearly stands out.
    But GTA4 has so many issues, soooooooooooooooooo many issues, that its really beyond a joke that you could ignore \ not notice all of them and still give the game a 10. Shame on IGN, shame on GameSpot, shame on everyone else who gave it a 10.

    They are either blind, mad, or dishonest.

    Of course, relying on a score to completely describe a game is stupid. As has been mentioned every game is subjective: some people worship Final Fantasy 7, while some think it's very very boring - they're just not into turn based combat and reading masses of text.
    FF7 is one of the greatest games ever and the benchmark RPG. If 'some people' don't like it, then 'some people' are wrong. Its great, if you can't see that... its still great.

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    Re: Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    sometimes, a review is forced out - and you end up basing your text on peoples' preconceptions

    if you can't get enthusiastic about a game, for beter or worse, then you can't attach a well-reasoned score

    i think a lot of gta4 reviews gave scores on the basis of gta4 being gta4, rather than the reviewer really making that connection with the game that means they'd want to take it to a desert island to keep them entertained through the long nights

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    Re: Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    To be honest however the game is rated people will not agree as in the end it is all down to personal taste. The only way I could see it could work better is to have 3 different people review the game and combine the results. This relies on each of the reviewers having different gaming interests. In fact you could have a review apnel of 10 and combine the results which would give a more balanced view.

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    Re: Give yourself 10/10 - you deserve it!

    Quote Originally Posted by grand_witch View Post
    To be honest however the game is rated people will not agree as in the end it is all down to personal taste. The only way I could see it could work better is to have 3 different people review the game and combine the results. This relies on each of the reviewers having different gaming interests. In fact you could have a review apnel of 10 and combine the results which would give a more balanced view.
    famous japanese games mag Famitsu does precisely that - it scores games out of 40, by simply adding the out of 10 scores from a panel of 4 people

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