Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

  1. #1
    a scumbag, arghhhh
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    belfast
    Posts
    948
    Thanks
    9
    Thanked
    11 times in 11 posts

    Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Predictably Capcom are blaming piracy. Obviously it has nothing to do with it coming out half a year after the console version and anyone into those games is going to most likely own a console and copy already. Nor does the fact it requires a controller and had next to no marketing matter, no it's all because of piracy.

    Anyone who remembers the joke port of Resident Evil 4 they shipped will certainly have no sympathy for the whining gimps.

    Here's an idea Capcom, if you want good PC sales stop treating PC gamers like a simple revenue stream after thought.
    "The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx

  2. #2
    Senior Member Hicks12's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Plymouth-SouthWest
    Posts
    6,586
    Thanks
    1,070
    Thanked
    340 times in 293 posts
    • Hicks12's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z68-V
      • CPU:
      • Intel i5 2500k@4ghz, cooled by EK Supreme HF
      • Memory:
      • 8GB Kingston hyperX ddr3 PC3-12800 1600mhz
      • Storage:
      • 64GB M4/128GB M4 / WD 640GB AAKS / 1TB Samsung F3
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Palit GTX460 @ 900Mhz Core
      • PSU:
      • 675W ThermalTake ThoughPower XT
      • Case:
      • Lian Li PC-A70 with modded top for 360mm rad
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Professional 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell U2311H IPS
      • Internet:
      • 10mb/s cable from virgin media

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    personally i havent bought it yet because the game didnt offer much to what i expected, it requires a controller(i think) which makes it completely rediculus as a keyboard+mouse is more common. The only game so far that has been excempt from releasing later is mass effect as they did a HUGE rebuild which was worthwhile, it made use of the mouse etc not just a crappy port been waiting. I picked up flatout ultimate carnage today as it just been released on pc, enjoyed it on 360 but when i pluged my wheel in ready to play i noticed it didnt support steeringwheels only the keyboard and 360 controller, why a 360 controller and not a steeringwheel for a racing game is beyond me but it made me waste £15 on a game i wont ejoy with a keyboard and cant return as the policy for pc games is replacement not refund, " to stop piracy" so they say but if i really was going to copy it etc then the replacement you give me just gives me another key to sell.

    Developers need to open their eyes to see its not jsut piracy because only people who WOULDNT buy the game download it so they have not lost a potential sale because that person wouldnt download it, i think demos are going down hill and thats what should be changed to give you more info on the game a few more levels so you know you enjoy it so that you dont waste your money.
    Quote Originally Posted by snootyjim View Post
    Trust me, go into any local club and shout "I've got dual Nehalem Xeons" and all of the girls will practically collapse on the spot at the thought of your e-penis

  3. #3
    Banhammer in peace PeterB kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    30,748
    Thanks
    1,787
    Thanked
    3,287 times in 2,647 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
      • CPU:
      • Intel i9 9900k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 970Evo+ NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF
      • Internet:
      • rubbish

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    While I agree it's unwise for a company to jump on piracy as a reason for bad sales, it's also unwise for people outside of the company to automatically assume that they are making it up and don't have any evidence.

    Whenever any company complains about piracy on the PC it's instantly shot down for some reason, yet most of the companies I've heard anything about have actually got a fair amount of proof that piracy is rampant for the games (even longer term too). Sure, there's not a 100% correlation between pirated copy and lost sale, but it's still a higher correlation than you'd think, given people don't generally waste time downloading and continueing to play a game that they think is rubbish.

    Demos are a tricky one - most companies have tried them and they have different effects for different genres. I actually thought the DMC demo was very good - it addressed the two big uncertainties I have about PC games: will it run on my system and what is the control scheme like? Everything else I can get from comparing detailed game reviews.

    Regarding treating the PC as an afterthought I think that's an absurd suggestion to be honest. PC versions cost WAY more and generate much LESS revenue than a console version, so unless a company is deliberately trying to break into the market and establish a proper effort there it's not worth doing in the first place. I know a huge amount of effort was put into the PC version (hence the delay of course, it wasn't just for the sake of it) so to say it's just an after-thought is completely inaccurate.

  4. #4
    a scumbag, arghhhh
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    belfast
    Posts
    948
    Thanks
    9
    Thanked
    11 times in 11 posts

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    While I agree it's unwise for a company to jump on piracy as a reason for bad sales, it's also unwise for people outside of the company to automatically assume that they are making it up and don't have any evidence.

    Whenever any company complains about piracy on the PC it's instantly shot down for some reason, yet most of the companies I've heard anything about have actually got a fair amount of proof that piracy is rampant for the games (even longer term too). Sure, there's not a 100% correlation between pirated copy and lost sale, but it's still a higher correlation than you'd think, given people don't generally waste time downloading and continueing to play a game that they think is rubbish.

    Demos are a tricky one - most companies have tried them and they have different effects for different genres. I actually thought the DMC demo was very good - it addressed the two big uncertainties I have about PC games: will it run on my system and what is the control scheme like? Everything else I can get from comparing detailed game reviews.

    Regarding treating the PC as an afterthought I think that's an absurd suggestion to be honest. PC versions cost WAY more and generate much LESS revenue than a console version, so unless a company is deliberately trying to break into the market and establish a proper effort there it's not worth doing in the first place. I know a huge amount of effort was put into the PC version (hence the delay of course, it wasn't just for the sake of it) so to say it's just an after-thought is completely inaccurate.
    but Capcom have no evidence it's piracy, the game is only out less than a month. Piracy is also an issue faced by EVERY game on the PC, so that doesn't affect the fact that DMC4 has sold poorly in relation to other PC games. There was no marketing for the game on the PC and like I said the type of gamers it appeals to most likely have it for a console 5 months ago. And Capcom have a long history of treating PC gamers like crap with lazy ports since Street Fighter, Resident Evil 1 up to last years Resident Evil 4 which had worse graphics than the PS2 version (bar resolution obviously). Yes they put effort into porting DMC4 but i'm afraid it's too little too late, all the effort in the world means nothing when it's 5 months late and most people who wanted to play it have played it, it's not exactly a AAA series like GTA, Resident Evil, or Metal Gear Solid. If Capcom want to break the PC market then they will just have to put up with the extra effort and reduced profit margins in that market, not throw out something 5 months late and then complain when it doesn't sell.
    "The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx

  5. #5
    Salazaar Clone! mediaboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    1,538
    Thanks
    275
    Thanked
    31 times in 29 posts
    • mediaboy's system
      • CPU:
      • Phenom x3 8500
      • Memory:
      • 2GB
      • Storage:
      • 1320GB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • HD3650 512MB
      • Operating System:
      • Windows Vista Premium x32
      • Internet:
      • T-Mobile Mobile Broadband

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    And saying that it's an after thought is more of an impression than a fact.

    It seems like capcom are saying, "Oh yes.. and by the way PC users.. here's the other bit that we didn't put in."

    Not good advertising.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune117
    Kids are getting smarter, eventually no amount of parental controls will be able to stop them
    I guess we're expected to do quite well

  6. #6
    Banhammer in peace PeterB kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    30,748
    Thanks
    1,787
    Thanked
    3,287 times in 2,647 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
      • CPU:
      • Intel i9 9900k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 970Evo+ NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF
      • Internet:
      • rubbish

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by revol68 View Post
    but Capcom have no evidence it's piracy,
    Oh sorry, I didn't realise you had access to Capcom's internal information. Alternatively if you don't, why make such assertive statements without any knowledge?

    Piracy is also an issue faced by EVERY game on the PC, so that doesn't affect the fact that DMC4 has sold poorly in relation to other PC games.
    Has it? I don't recall Capcom saying that was the reason they think it had been pirated.

    Yes they put effort into porting DMC4 but i'm afraid it's too little too late, all the effort in the world means nothing when it's 5 months late
    I'm not understanding you here - you want them to put more effort into something but at the same time you can't abide it taking longer.. how on earth do you expect them to use their effort then? Putting more effort into development means you take longer on it, unless you are doing something weird like quadrupling your dev team. They are putting up with 'extra effort and reduced profit margins' - that's exactly the cost of developing for the PC. To be honest 5 months is an astonishingly small delay when you compare the complexities.

    Or are you one of these people that wants games to be held up after completion so that you have a simultanious release cross platforms?

  7. #7
    a scumbag, arghhhh
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    belfast
    Posts
    948
    Thanks
    9
    Thanked
    11 times in 11 posts

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Oh sorry, I didn't realise you had access to Capcom's internal information. Alternatively if you don't, why make such assertive statements without any knowledge?

    Has it? I don't recall Capcom saying that was the reason they think it had been pirated.

    I'm not understanding you here - you want them to put more effort into something but at the same time you can't abide it taking longer.. how on earth do you expect them to use their effort then? Putting more effort into development means you take longer on it, unless you are doing something weird like quadrupling your dev team. They are putting up with 'extra effort and reduced profit margins' - that's exactly the cost of developing for the PC. To be honest 5 months is an astonishingly small delay when you compare the complexities.

    Or are you one of these people that wants games to be held up after completion so that you have a simultanious release cross platforms?
    they managed to realse on both the ps3 and 360, with the PS3 requiring more effort than PC programming, they of course were willing to put that effort in for the PS3 market.

    the facts are that if they want half decent sales on the PC they will have to get the game out at the same time as the other platforms, people just aren't going to give a turd about DMC4 5 months down the line on the PC. Personally I don't think DMC4 is the type of title ever likely to generate big sales on the PC.

    If the effort required to get the game out on PC at the same time as the consoles is too much for Capcom then they will just have to suck it up and accept the poor sales when they release it 5 months down the line. It's pathetic to see multinational corporations making schoolboy excuses for the poor sales of their game as if anyone owes them anything.
    "The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx

  8. #8
    Salazaar Clone! mediaboy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    1,538
    Thanks
    275
    Thanked
    31 times in 29 posts
    • mediaboy's system
      • CPU:
      • Phenom x3 8500
      • Memory:
      • 2GB
      • Storage:
      • 1320GB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • HD3650 512MB
      • Operating System:
      • Windows Vista Premium x32
      • Internet:
      • T-Mobile Mobile Broadband

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Ermm.. despite my complaints..

    I'd much rather that it was 5 months late and that we had the extra content with a few extra levels of difficulty and a few bugs edited out, than the first 1.0 version with all the bugs left in it.

    Not sure on bugginess of PC version though, so don't quote me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune117
    Kids are getting smarter, eventually no amount of parental controls will be able to stop them
    I guess we're expected to do quite well

  9. #9
    Banhammer in peace PeterB kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    30,748
    Thanks
    1,787
    Thanked
    3,287 times in 2,647 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
      • CPU:
      • Intel i9 9900k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 970Evo+ NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF
      • Internet:
      • rubbish

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by revol68 View Post
    It's pathetic to see multinational corporations making schoolboy excuses for the poor sales of their game as if anyone owes them anything.
    Or.. shock horror, what if they happen to be right and piracy is hurting their PC sales? It strikes me as sad that someone would rather jump on a professional company and call them schoolboy without any proof than actually consider the possibility that they might be telling the truth.

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    6,585
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    246 times in 208 posts

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Recent GTA games tend to be released a whole year after their console release (or longer), but they are pretty successful commercially aren't they? It might be worth taking even longer to release than a mere 5 months (which I don't think is a lot), but really polish it and give even more.

    Was Bioshock more commercially successful on the Xbox 360 or on the PC? If I was a game developer, I think that I would be a little concerned about pirated releases of the PC version cannibalising sales of not only the PC release, but also the consoles releases. Not that consoles are piracy proof, far from it, but I think it is fair to say that piracy is even more effortless on PC than on consoles.

  11. #11
    Banhammer in peace PeterB kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    30,748
    Thanks
    1,787
    Thanked
    3,287 times in 2,647 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
      • CPU:
      • Intel i9 9900k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 970Evo+ NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF
      • Internet:
      • rubbish

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
    Was Bioshock more commercially successful on the Xbox 360 or on the PC?
    Xbox by far, if I remember rightly it was something like 10:1.

    If I was a game developer, I think that I would be a little concerned about pirated releases of the PC version cannibalising sales of not only the PC release, but also the consoles releases. Not that consoles are piracy proof, far from it, but I think it is fair to say that piracy is even more effortless on PC than on consoles.
    Yup.

  12. #12
    a scumbag, arghhhh
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    belfast
    Posts
    948
    Thanks
    9
    Thanked
    11 times in 11 posts

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Or.. shock horror, what if they happen to be right and piracy is hurting their PC sales? It strikes me as sad that someone would rather jump on a professional company and call them schoolboy without any proof than actually consider the possibility that they might be telling the truth.
    because piracy doesn't explain it's crappy sales figures in relation to other PC games that are as vulnerable to piracy. When you produce something for a market you should do your homework on it, piracy and torrents aren't new things, Capcom should've factored it in if they thought it was such a big deal, unless of course they imagine DMC4 is unique on being up on torrent sites.

    Essentially Capcom overestimated how popular their 5 month year old port of a console action game would be, I mean it's not even that great a game, certainly not one PC gamers really have an appetite for and if they do have an appetite for it they most likely already own it on a console.
    "The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx

  13. #13
    Banhammer in peace PeterB kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    30,748
    Thanks
    1,787
    Thanked
    3,287 times in 2,647 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
      • CPU:
      • Intel i9 9900k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 970Evo+ NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF
      • Internet:
      • rubbish

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by revol68 View Post
    because piracy doesn't explain it's crappy sales figures in relation to other PC games that are as vulnerable to piracy.
    I still don't understand. Most PC games sales are affected by piracy, and most are also relatively poor. Capcom aren't saying 'we've sold less than other PC games so it must be piracy', but that seems to be what you're having a go at them for.

  14. #14
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    26
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post
    • darxide's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte P965 DS4
      • CPU:
      • E6600
      • Memory:
      • 4gb Corsair XMS2
      • Storage:
      • 1x WD Raptor 74gb, 2x WD Caviar 640gb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • HD4870
      • PSU:
      • Xigmatek 750w
      • Case:
      • Antec P182
      • Operating System:
      • Vista x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • TFT - 24" HP w2408h, PJ - Optoma HD70
      • Internet:
      • 8mb Zen ADSL

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Xbox by far, if I remember rightly it was something like 10:1.

    Yup.
    The whole DRM/activation fiasco certainly did the PC sales no favours, was a good game though.

  15. #15
    Comfortably Numb directhex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    /dev/urandom
    Posts
    17,074
    Thanks
    228
    Thanked
    1,027 times in 678 posts
    • directhex's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus ROG Strix B550-I Gaming
      • CPU:
      • Ryzen 5900x
      • Memory:
      • 64GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Seagate Firecuda 520
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra
      • PSU:
      • EVGA SuperNOVA 850W G3
      • Case:
      • NZXT H210i
      • Operating System:
      • Ubuntu 20.04, Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG 34GN850
      • Internet:
      • FIOS

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    lifetime sales predictions are 340k for bioshock pc, 1.9m for bioshock 360

    DMC4 figures are 1.6m for ps3, 1.4m for 360, 210k for pc

  16. Received thanks from:

    steve threlfall (06-08-2008)

  17. #16
    Beard hat ftw! steve threlfall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    West Midlands
    Posts
    6,745
    Thanks
    302
    Thanked
    195 times in 124 posts
    • steve threlfall's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z77-D3H
      • CPU:
      • Core i5-3570K
      • Memory:
      • 8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 830 256
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon HD6870
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX750
      • Case:
      • Antec P280
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 2407 WFP 24" Widescreen, Rev A04
      • Internet:
      • Virgin 120/12 mb

    Re: Capcom whinge about DMC4 PC sales.

    Interesting figures Hex. If porting a game doesnt prove worthwhile then Capcom probably wont bother again.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. New job, sales!
    By SilentDeath in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 32
    Last Post: 20-05-2008, 03:59 AM
  2. Capcom defend PS3 DMC4 install issue
    By HEXUS in forum HEXUS News
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 11-02-2008, 09:33 AM
  3. Replies: 9
    Last Post: 11-01-2007, 10:50 AM
  4. Music sales down, but it's not RIAA's fault
    By Steve in forum HEXUS News
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 04-01-2006, 09:20 PM
  5. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 14-11-2005, 12:17 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •