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    Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    As much as I'm looking forward to this I don't think I'll be buying this game.
    PC gaming will be killed off even sooner than expected.


    EA has announced an intention to continue using the controversial SecurROM copy protection software with the upcoming Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3, despite the massively negative reaction the DRM software has met with in previous products.

    Companies such as Take-Two and Electronic Arts have received backlash from users after including the draconian copy protection system SecuROM. The system has been used in games such as BioShock and Mass Effect, with Spore currently taking a customer-review bashing on Amazon for its inclusion of the software.

    EA has now confirmed that it won't be dropping the system however and will include it in Red Alert 3, though the SecuROM system will be tweaked. Players will now be allowed five active installs of the game at any one time, the software only authenticate on first-run and you will not need the disc in the drive to play according to a discussion on the EA forums.

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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    My only problem with SecuROM is the fact that I need an internet connection to install any game that uses that sort of protection.

    It lmits what games I can play severely.

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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    Quote Originally Posted by mediaboy View Post
    My only problem with SecuROM is the fact that I need an internet connection to install any game that uses that sort of protection.

    It lmits what games I can play severely.
    Exactly. My gaming rig is not Internet enabled and there's no alternative solution to activate the game.
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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    this does seem a bit stupid.it's nearly as bad as installing games with starforce in on windows vista Will never do that again never seen a pc throw such a paddy!!


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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    I undersstand why they are doing this but most companies have just gone to far, the best way is to support the current letters they are sending (you know the £300 ones ) as that is a VERY good scare tactic but it should really be aimed at the uploader(the hoster) then we wouldnt get this. They are just punishing the legit buyers, i have my doubts about RA3 as it looks more cartoony then i ever remember but will wait for the demo as securom and stuff wont stop me buying a game, sure it will annoy me alot but if its a good game then its worth it for example, mass effect is a great game and the security never caused me an issue. I wish companies like EA would realise that they are killing themselves because if they release bad games then people will be even less inclined to buy them with this in effect, best way is to just spam the letters asking for money/legal action or they could find a better method of game management and so cd cracks etc dont work.
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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    prehaps you mean RA3 instead of RE3?

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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    I've no problem with this, it won't stop me buying or playing the game. I have an active internet connection, I use my PC so run as an admin account..so it won't cause me any issues.

    In the very unlikely situation that the protection causes me a problem i'll just remove the protection and thats that. I don't see why everyone is getting so worked up about it, this is not Starforce, its no-where near as bad. If you don't like the protection then don't buy the licence to play the game (which is all you can buy remember)..simple as.

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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    Ugh. 'nuff said

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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    Spud - HOW are you going to "remove the protection?"

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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    The biggest problem I see is with the install limit. I've heard from Mass effect that it was 3 times limit and people have uninstalled and reinstalled for whatever reasons and they've used up their limit. Then when they contact the company they tell the user to go buy another game.
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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    Quote Originally Posted by mediaboy View Post
    Spud - HOW are you going to "remove the protection?"
    You would simply use a crack to do it - how and where to obtain such a thing is obviously not allowed to be discussed on here, but thats what you would do. That would be against the game licence and terms of service of course, so it would be a last resort.

    There won't be a need for me to do it anyway, i've had no issues with any other securom 7.x protected games anyway (even the ones with more stringent security measures than RA3), so I don't see why there would be a problem here.

    The only reasons I can see people having a problem are:

    1) Lack of internet connection - If this is your problem then you have a fair argument, however as long as the packaging informs you than an internet connection is required, then I have no problem with it.
    2) You run as a "normal" user rather than administrator - this shouldnt actually cause any problems, but it does mean you have to have the securom admin service installed..much easier to just become an admin user and turn off UAC..so again not really a problem as such.
    3) You want to install the game on more than 5 machines. Firstly, why on earth would you want to? If you want you and say your brother/sister to play at the same time then you need to buy 2 copies of the game (as you *have* to do with almost any game if you want to stay legal), and if you want it on a few machines that you own in different places (say a laptop, gaming pc, work pc, girlfriends pc) then you are not likely to have more than 5. If you are then its a very unusual situation, and you can make a simple call to EA to explain, and they will allow you more activatons.
    4) The very small percentage of people who claim to have had their PC's "hosed" by securom 7 - There are no confirmed cases with proof that it was securom that took down these systems as far as I am aware, and even if it did theres a very small percentage of people it has happened to. This sort of problem can happen with any software anyway, and its a risk you take every time you install software. Until we have a proper content delivery service built into windows (a nice linux package based system would be nice) this will *always* be a risk

    I've ranted on a bit more than I was going to there so apologies for that, but just wanted to explain my points a little.

    Bottom line is that if you are scared by the securom, don't buy the game...or wait until they remove it in a few patches time.

    edit: must add that the above is just my opinion, and it is not meant as a personal attack on anyone here..if you have issues with securom then thats fine and its your right to do so

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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    You would simply use a crack to do it - how and where to obtain such a thing is obviously not allowed to be discussed on here, but thats what you would do. That would be against the game licence and terms of service of course, so it would be a last resort.
    So you wouldn't pirate it, you'd just break a different law? What an interesting point of view. I never thought of it in that way before.

    Cracking isn't discussed on here for the simple reason it is illegal. Think in terms of fines and prison sentences. I can't remember exact laws on this, but I have this vague feeling that someone will verify what I just said with the exact laws. I think it's something like £300/time for piracy and cracking is considered worse than? Or is cracking better than? I just can't remember. Someone tell me please.

    Any ways of getting through protection is illegal. It's also not even a last resort for me. Of course, your morals may be entirely different.

    The only reasons I can see people having a problem are:

    1) Lack of internet connection - If this is your problem then you have a fair argument, however as long as the packaging informs you than an internet connection is required, then I have no problem with it.
    It is a fair point. But then you get the MMORPGs like ArchLord which don't say so in big bold letters. In fact, hardly ANY internet-activation game says so in big BOLD letters. They just mention it, in the smallest text readable to me, at the bottom of the box on the back. In other words.. they try to hide it.

    2) You run as a "normal" user rather than administrator - this shouldnt actually cause any problems, but it does mean you have to have the securom admin service installed..much easier to just become an admin user and turn off UAC..so again not really a problem as such.
    How is it much easier "just become an admin user" if say... it's not your computer but your families and they aren't going to give you the priveleges. I don't have admin rights on this computer, or at least.. didn't... till I accidentally reinstalled windows. But I could get away with that as no one but me uses this computer anyway.

    If you are a "normal" user and you cannot get admin rights, what then?

    3) You want to install the game on more than 5 machines. Firstly, why on earth would you want to? If you want you and say your brother/sister to play at the same time then you need to buy 2 copies of the game (as you *have* to do with almost any game if you want to stay legal), and if you want it on a few machines that you own in different places (say a laptop, gaming pc, work pc, girlfriends pc) then you are not likely to have more than 5. If you are then its a very unusual situation, and you can make a simple call to EA to explain, and they will allow you more activatons.
    EA will tell you to buy more copies of the game. AND if you have to reinstall due to hardware changes, repeated crashing or other similar issues it uses up one of those activations.

    4) The very small percentage of people who claim to have had their PC's "hosed" by securom 7 - There are no confirmed cases with proof that it was securom that took down these systems as far as I am aware, and even if it did theres a very small percentage of people it has happened to. This sort of problem can happen with any software anyway, and its a risk you take every time you install software. Until we have a proper content delivery service built into windows (a nice linux package based system would be nice) this will *always* be a risk
    Or the confirmed cases with proof were covered up. This is the modern world. It's just as likely, although I'm jumping at shadows.

    A better way of putting it is that windows is windows and that it'll always crash. One way or another, on one game or some application. It'll crash. However, if that application is securom 7 then securom 7 is the one that'll crash it. So there's always a possibility. Even if "windows crashing and securom being installed are totally unrelated."

    I've ranted on a bit more than I was going to there so apologies for that, but just wanted to explain my points a little.

    Bottom line is that if you are scared by the securom, don't buy the game...or wait until they remove it in a few patches time.

    edit: must add that the above is just my opinion, and it is not meant as a personal attack on anyone here..if you have issues with securom then thats fine and its your right to do so
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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    I've no problem with this, it won't stop me buying or playing the game. I have an active internet connection, I use my PC so run as an admin account..so it won't cause me any issues.

    In the very unlikely situation that the protection causes me a problem i'll just remove the protection and thats that. I don't see why everyone is getting so worked up about it, this is not Starforce, its no-where near as bad. If you don't like the protection then don't buy the licence to play the game (which is all you can buy remember)..simple as.
    Think you summed up my opinion , only thing i hate is now they are registering the game e.g. spore where its now linked to my EA account( i think?) so i cant sell it or anything now >.<, most games i sell after a few months to cover the cost of a new game.
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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    Actually I believe that using no-cd patches/cracks is perfectly legal in most countries, as long as you do not do the cracking yourself. I'm not even sure that cracking a game is illegal; I think it relies on the intent - ie if the intent is to remove the protection to distribute the game illegally then you can be charged, else its fine. It is, however, definitely against the game's licence and terms of use, but that is different and not a criminal or civil offense.

    Pirating a game is a totally different situation and that is most definitely illegal, although it is a civil matter in most cases. So in short, using a no-cd crack would not be illegal and does not compromise my morals (so long as I have paid for said game). In any case like I said, I dont expect to have to do so in the first place

    I had not considered the situation where you could not get admin rights on a machine, so my bad on that one..but in any case I think my point largely stands, and theres a huge number of applications (not just games) that struggle to work correctly without an admin account, so this is not purely a RA3 issue. The solution is to use the securom service anyway, which is invisible to the user.

    re activations - EA have stated numerous times that you can phone them up to request new activations, and that they will give them out to you..of course if you want to install it concurrently on loads of machines they will tell you to go and buy more copies, as they rightly should do. They will, however, allow you as many activations as is reasonable..personally I think 5 is reasonable before having to call them up to get more, but obviously that number is going to be up for debate as people's computer habits will vary wildly.

    Anyway I think thats all that needs to be said on it really

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    Re: Red Alert 3 to have SecuROM

    One more game (or more likely, game publisher) on my "do not buy from" list.

    If I buy a game, I don't expect to have to mess about getting online validation to use it. I want to buy it, install it and play it. End of.

    I've been buying computer games since before IBM launched the PC, with the early ones being Apple II-based, like the original Wizardry, Tigers in the Snow and so on. But it's looking like I'll finally give up buying PC games at all. If a game is so laden with DRM that it messes me about, I'm not buying it. And if I have to spend too much trying trying to work out which games are DRM-crippled and which are not, then I'm not buying any of them any more. It's not worth the hassle.

    I shudder to think how many games I've bought over the years, but I reckon I could still put my hands on 100 or more boxed games, sitting on my shelves today. But I'm so sick of this DRM issue that I can't be bothered to work out which ones do and which don't any more. If I'm in game-buying good, I want to go into a shop, browse, see what catches my eye, buy it and play it, not spend ages trying to work out if any given game is safe to buy or not.

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