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    Ea sued for drm!!!

    http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6198136....dlines;title;1

    HA now thats more like it. have a read. their going to get sued because of the DRM that they use in there recent games

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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    We don't know if it's been sucessful yet, should be interesting to set some kind of precident

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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    Is there a tool out there that scans your PC for crap like this?

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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by j.o.s.h.1408 View Post
    http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6198136....dlines;title;1

    HA now thats more like it. have a read. their going to get sued because of the DRM that they use in there recent games
    I'm sorry, but all I can say to that is "that's" and "they're" and "their".
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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by yamangman View Post
    I'm sorry, but all I can say to that is "that's" and "they're" and "their".
    They're.

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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    The DRM nonsense is entirely crazy, what are EA trying to prove with it, it only pisses off the people actually buying their games whilst pirates (more power to them!) get an actually superior product. EA's dogmatic approach to this comes across like George Bush telling insurgents to 'bring it on' in Iraq, and seeking to win hearts and minds by kicking in doors in the middle of the night and sticking sacks over heads. As a communist I actually support piracy, seeing it as the relations of production (intellectual property rights etc) being outstripped by the means of production (file sharing, torrent sites, high speed broadband etc).
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    At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production or – this merely expresses the same thing in legal terms – with the property relations within the framework of which they have operated hitherto. From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an era of social revolution. The changes in the economic foundation lead sooner or later to the transformation of the whole immense superstructure.
    This however doesn't explain to me what EA hope to achieve with their approach of seriously upsetting those customers who actually buy their games, it is simply awful business sense.
    "The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx

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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    Well this is going to be interesting to follow, but it'll take a while to resolve itself whichever way it goes. The publicity will probably have more impact than the actual legal action too.
    Quote Originally Posted by revol68 View Post
    ...whilst pirates (more power to them!) get an actually superior product.
    Just a little something that bugs me - do game cracks these days actually remove securom or are they just bypassing it as an afterthought? If the latter is the case then the pirate product isn't superior, as the DRM is still installed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Main View Post
    Well this is going to be interesting to follow, but it'll take a while to resolve itself whichever way it goes. The publicity will probably have more impact than the actual legal action too.

    Just a little something that bugs me - do game cracks these days actually remove securom or are they just bypassing it as an afterthought? If the latter is the case then the pirate product isn't superior, as the DRM is still installed...
    i'm not certain whether the component is no longer installed or simply bypassed, though even if it is just bypassed the pirate copy is superior because it obviously has no restrictions on the number of installations. Whether it's actually removed fulled or bypassed is of little real difference, afterall what matters is that it renders it moot.
    "The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being." Karl Marx

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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    Well maybe, but the point is that while it no longer has purpose, it is still there, which is part of the legal arguement:
    Quote Originally Posted by Gamespot Article
    "Once installed, it becomes a permanent part of the consumer's software portfolio. Even if the consumer uninstalls Spore, and entirely deletes it from their computer, SecurROM remains a fixture on their computer unless and until the consumer completely wipes their hard drive through reformatting or replacement of the drive."
    So this leads into the territory of wondering what this software does in its spare time - it's completely hidden from users so you can't easily track it down, and it will remain present on a lot of computers where it has either lost or never had a purpose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Main View Post
    Well maybe, but the point is that while it no longer has purpose, it is still there, which is part of the legal arguement:

    So this leads into the territory of wondering what this software does in its spare time - it's completely hidden from users so you can't easily track it down, and it will remain present on a lot of computers where it has either lost or never had a purpose...
    Yes but the legal status of the DRM software has absolutely no bearing on the actual inconvenience to the consumer or the superiority of pirate copies, if it's found to be legal does it all of a sudden mutate to not be detrimental to the consumer and vice versa?
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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    oh and another thing I was forced to download a pirate copy of FIFA 08 as the DVD I recieved wouldn't work properly, not to mention the fact FIFA 08 is a joke and EA need their balls rolled for releasing crappy ps2 ports to the PC and talking nonsense about the AI and graphics being so demanding that only the new generation consoles can cope with it.
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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    Is there a tool out there that scans your PC for crap like this?
    Having just installed a couple of games with secuROM i was thinking just the same thing.

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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    *sigh*

    Another reason to be console orientated now.

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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stringent View Post
    *sigh*

    Another reason to be console orientated now.
    Because the DRM is built-in/hidden from the start?

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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Because the DRM is built-in/hidden from the start?
    Console DRM isn't going to stop working due to an OS change
    Console DRM isn't going to let you put the disk in a number of consoles and tell you to call EA
    Console DRM isn't going to hide software in the background and potentially interfere with the running of your system
    Console DRM doesn't have the risk of the activation servers going offline
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    And by trying to force me to like small pants, they've alienated me.

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    Re: Ea sued for drm!!!

    I'm looking forward to TPM on PCs

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