Good job lads, good job.
Good job lads, good job.
kalniel (15-11-2009)
It sounds cynical but I expected as much.
pathetic, bunch of half arsed scumbags.
either stick with it or dont sign up to it
VodkaOriginally Posted by Ephesians
Oh I lol'd at that.. I didn't even know there was such a group.. a lot of people on my friends are playing it anyway though.
I'm not gonna buy it, unless I get it for free![]()
Same happened at iGi and the lads took some right stick for it.
With Activision estimating nearly 5 million copies being sold on day 1, a few hundred thousand on a boycott's a whimper. That's why it was ignored, complaints were from an insignificant minority.
Too many sheep on the internet![]()
yeah its pretty infuriating... they dont unstand the point in a boycott clearly. I was getting sck of hearing people say 'oh they will add dedis and stuff in eventualy' well now theat they have all your money why would they spend it and waste time developing anything else... idiots!
Its nothing to do with money, after all how many servers do IW actually run? Not many if at all. Most are done through 3rd party operations. The reason they have done it is for control. Control over what you play, who you play with (balance) and control over content. Mods have been a massive boost for PC games, but most are normally hacks of some kind with some of the better companies actually providing proper tools and support.
It just shows that boycotts, action groups and petitions are just a complete waste of time and effort. Too many sheep.
Don't forget there's a difference between petition and boycott...
There was nothing to listen to from that bunch though! Who complains that they can't use a server browser?
The picture is kind of sad, at least stand for your principles! I didn't sign on to the whole boycott thing, I just signed the petition and didn't bother buying the game.
As much as I want to play the single player I guess I'll have to pass. I'd feel dirty giving my money to Activision. Anyway, screw MW2, Serious Sam HD: The First Encounter is available for pre order on steam so I don't need that modern warfare nonsense.
For me, a boycott is something I do to suit me, not because I expect big companies to take any notice. If enough people applied boycotts, then they might have an effect, but that requires :-
a) enough people to feel strongly over the same issue
b) them to feel strongly enough to not just spout off, but follow through
c) the company to be aware of what they're doing and why.
As some of you will know, I won't buy games will DRM that I find excessive. For instance, anything that requires online activation, because the machines I use mainly for games aren't connected to the net, and I'm NOT connecting them just to activate a game. Also, I'm NOT installing anything that uses SecuRom because any game that requires that level of low-level access to my machine just to satisfy the vendor I'm legit is not acceptable to me.
There is a major bank that messed me around many years ago. Because of an extremely offensive manager and the way the bank handled things, I withdrew my funds (some thousands, about 30 years ago) and haven't used that bank since. Nor will I. Why? Not because of an offensivce manager, but because when I complained, the Customer Service department said "we'll investigage and let you know" and I never heard another word. They'll stand a chance of getting my custom again when I hwar from them. After 30+ years, I'm not holding my breath.
Similarly, 3 or 4 years ago, I had a dispute with Tesco. They refused, point blank, to issue a VAT receipt when, as a VAT-registered person, they are legally obliged to do so if I ask for it. Without it, I can't reclaim the VAT. Again, Customer Service were informed, promised to let me know and I never heard another word.
In the Tesco case, the amount was trivial. The point, to me, was their attitude, not the money. I haven't shopped in Tesco since. I used to buy all my petrol there, and it was my usual stop for groceries. Now, I will not buy from them, period.
So, I'm currently boycotting games with DRM that I don't like, a bank whose attitude I found obnoxious and Tesco. In each case, it's costing the company some money, and especially for Tesco, it's some thousands.
But do I expect any of them to notice, or care about it if they did? Hell, no. That's not the point of the boycott. The point of the boycott is that I don't want to deal with people that either provide a product I don;t find acceptable (like those games companies with that type of DRM), or whose attitude towards me is unacceptable. But I don't expect them to care, let alone change. It's about me dealing with people I'm prepared to deal with.
For instance, Tesco not only refused to fulfil their legal obligations but the attitude of local staff was arrogant and dismissive. That I could live with. For a customer service to simply not bother to follow up on their promises, well, that tells me all I need to know about the company and I have yet to see a reason to change my mind.
Compare that with Waitrose. I bought some Brita water filters and, when removing one from the sealed bag, found it was cracked. I happened to bump into the branch manager next time I was in Waitrose and asked him whether I should bring it back. He said "No, it's all right, don't bother" and replaced the ONE broken filter from the three-pack I'd bought with another THREE pack, sight unseen. He took my word for it. On another occasion, I had some chicken breasts in a six (I think it was six) pack. I used two, and the following night, went to use two more and, when I opened them, they stank. They were still within date and 24 hours after I bought them. I showed them to a section supervisor, who disappeared with them for a couple of minutes. The deputy manager appeared, was terribly apologetic, and pointed out (and I believe him) they they take great are in their product quality. He replaced the entire 6-pack, despite having used some of them, and gave me a free bottle of wine of my choice as an apology. On another occasion, I asked if they still stocked minty peas. They section manager checked and said "sorry, no", but gave me a packet of standard peas and a packet of organic mint and suggested I try that. If it works, great and if not, I can throw them away with no loss.
I've no doubt that Waitrose' attitude could be abused, but to me, there's the world of difference between their attention to customer satisfaction and the arrogant disdain and disinterest from Tesco, even when you go to their Customer Disservice department.
That's why I find these gamers' "boycott" so comical. It isn't a boycott at all. It's a rant.
I don't expect Tesco or others to notice my boycott, or to care if they did. I certainly don't expect anyone else, like anyone reading this, to pay much attention let alone change their buying patterns because of it. If I boycott someone, it's because I won't deal with them, not because I expect the company or anyone else to care. But to "boycott" a company by buying their product anyway isn't a boycott, it's a petulant moan.
If you don't like how a company treats you, or their products, and you feel strongly enough about it, simply don't deal with them until or unless they change. But don't expect them to pay any attention because unless there's enough of you to really hit them in the wallet, they won't care. It ain't exactly rocket science.
And as for boycotts on this game, well, isn't it one of the highest grossing games releases of all time or something? I'm sure the companies behind it are quaking in their boots at the "boycott". It may even be that the "boycott" gives them publicity they otherwise might not have got.
Wot a joke.![]()
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