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    Reliability debate on consoles

    why is consoles soo unreliable compared to a modern gaming pc? is it because of the air flow and size of a pc machine matched with a console?

    With a pc, you get good direct air cooling using fans and heatsinks while in a console you get only one fan extracting hot air out and just a heatsink cooling the cpu and gpu.

    Not to mention little to no air flow ventilation in a console case. Would you guys preferred a console that's twice the size that offers reliability similar to a pc or are you happy to sacrifice the risk of your consoles breaking just so that your console is of reasonable size?

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    Re: Reliability debate on consoles

    i've been fortunate enough to have not had a console break down on me in 15 years. im aware that it does happen but for me personally i like mine the way they are - caused no problems and both fit onto my TV stand.

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    Re: Reliability debate on consoles

    Almost every console apart from the xbox360 has been reliable.

    http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6216691.html

    I'm not sure what you are talking about !

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    Re: Reliability debate on consoles

    Yes but im talking about this gen. the ps3's are begining to show its not as reliable as well all think and we all know about teh 360's.

    imo, the reason why is because technology is becoming more powerful and therefore needs more cooling for it. imagine sticking a 260gtx and a quad core i5 equivalent inside a PS4/xbox 3 without no air cooling fans and just a heatsink.

    There is a reason why GPU's on pc's are getting bigger and now requiring a dual slot cooler for them to run on. Not to mention how hot moder day quad core cpu's get WITH the stock cooler already in place.

    Now imagine that with just a heatsink on

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    Re: Reliability debate on consoles

    I'd prefer a balance between reliability, design and price, and I think both Sony and MS did a pretty good job all things considered. My original 360 only actually suffered the RROD after it slipped off the shelf it was on while it was running.

    There is a third option of course, to have an under powered console with good reliability and a slim design, it's called the Wii. Though if you look at falling sales and a general lack of interest after the initial hype then I guess that it really isn't what consumers want after all.
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    Re: Reliability debate on consoles

    Quote Originally Posted by Salazaar View Post
    I guess that it really isn't what consumers want after all.
    Maybe they everyone who wants one, has already bought it.

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    Re: Reliability debate on consoles

    Would have been nice for the PS3 slim to have been reduced internally but put in the same size casing as the original, would have improved airflow a bit I'd imagine or at least provide more space for an even bigger fan!

    Not that i've seen much apart from anecdotal evidence of a recurring problem (on the scale of the RROD) with PS3s, the whole YLOD seems blown out of all proportion.

    As for the 360..had one RROD, got another off for repair at the moment, I'd have sacrificed size for airflow/noise reduction.

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    Re: Reliability debate on consoles

    The Xbox 360 has a high failure rate due to such a poor design especially at dissipating heat. The PS3 actually has a very good (albeit very complex) internal design and has good efficiency getting rid of heat... all consoles fall faulty though and the PS2 was a big culprit of this (moreso to do with the DVD drives etc).

    Although its obvious that GPU's and CPU's integrated into consoles have increasingly been using higher temperatures than the generation before, they usually hit a limit which is where efficiency is then designed (as we see in the PC industry).

    Gone are the days though where you could put a console in a confined space, if you leave it in an area with plenty of ventilation for years and they're fine... put it on a cabinet under the TV and in my case you get an E74 error, lol.

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    Re: Reliability debate on consoles

    Fallout 3 has almost killed my 360, mass effect did kill it.
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    Re: Reliability debate on consoles

    I have the original PS3 60GB and have had it since launch. Hasn't crashed once on me.
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    Re: Reliability debate on consoles

    The real reason that the 360 is unreliable is that it was rushed to market to give Microsoft a head start over Sony despite the fact that there reliability issues that needed to be addressed. It's not because they tried to put something into a console that's too powerful and creates too much heat for its own good, they just didn't spend the amount of time they should have making it reliable before it hit shelves.

    As for the Playstation 3 it's actually performing very well as far as reliability goes, most of the hardware failures are drive related rather than a result of a lack of proper cooling. Considering most of the people I know use theirs not just for games but for bluray and upscaling their dvds I think that's to be expected and to be fair to Sony, I abuse my 40gb PS3 and it's never missed a beat

    To be honest, I think if you wedged my i7 rig into a similarly small space as the gap under the T.V most people keep their consoles in I'd expect it to overheat very quickly. The cooling system and the case that houses a console can be designed specifically to suit the cooling requirements of one piece of hardware making a properly designed console just as efficient as a PC if not more so because PC cases have to be able to house hundreds of different configurations of hardware. Also, let's not forget that most people that run high end gaming pc's buy high end cases or modify the case to suit their needs and usually the cooling system while they're at it.

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    Re: Reliability debate on consoles

    Quote Originally Posted by neonplanet40 View Post
    I have the original PS3 60GB and have had it since launch. Hasn't crashed once on me.
    +1 launch model going strong as well.

    In contrary to your comparisons Josh, i have actually had more problems with PC components failing recently than i ever did with consoles (ok excluding the 360 lol) the last two graphic cards i had issues with (and no i had not overlocked them or anything)

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