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    Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    The games industry seems to have fully embraced the Hollywood ethos of remaking existing properties. It started small enough, HD tart ups of old games on XBLA/Virtual Console and to be honest it's kind of snuck up on me as I've been out of the gaming news loop for some time but I visited GAMEFest over the weekend and while walking around looking at what was on display I started to realise just how much of it was very, VERY familiar ground.

    ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, Starfox 64, Kid Icarus, Tekken Tag, Resident Evil 4 and Code Veronica, Metal Gear Solid, Hitman, Devil May Cry, Tomb Raider.. and those are just the ones that spring to mind right now, not all of them were on show, in fact the last three on that list were nowhere to be seen but when you're stood queing at a Capcom booth for nearly an hour you get a lot of time to think about what's coming up..

    In theory I've got nothing against it. In fact I spent quite a long time having my jaw well and truly dropped by Shadow of the Colossus in HD/3D and Kid Icarus blew my fragile little mind, true brilliance and right now the only game worth owning a 3DS for right now in my opinion. More so, it made me wonder what everyone else thinks of this current trend? And, what games you would like to see remade/reborn that aren't quite as obvious as say the countless Goldeneye attempts or the Metal Gear trilogy we're destined to receive?

    Personally the first one that springs to mind for me is The Thing, based on the movie of the same name and released by Konami back in the PS2 days it didn't find a lot of love, it was a weird little game, not quite a straight survival horror title nor a bog standard 3rd person shooter but it nailed down the paranoia of who or more rather what the man next to you might turn into. Having to give another member of your group the only firearm so you could proceed, all the while knowing his head might explode into a mass of tentacles at any second was such a unique experience and one I'd love to see brought back with slightly better visuals, controls and a little more focus

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    I would love to see System Shock 2 get remade. Keep the setting, script and everything else that made the game great. Just get it into a new engine, would buy it in an instant. Same goes for the first Deus Ex game.

    I like the look of the ICO / SOTC HD updates, some serious work has gone into them from the vids I've seen and reviews. They are on my wishlist on Amazon.

    On the flip side the Splinter Cell HD set are supposed to be of poor quality with the online components removed.

    I think that if they are done properly you can experience these classics the way the origional creator wanted you to see them. Rush jobs though need putting where all those E.T cartridges went all those years ago!

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    For all the games I've played and loved that've been tagged as "spiritual successors" I never did play System Shock 2 as it was a bit before my time. Good one

    On that note, it is pretty cool to think that in a year or two I'll be able to introduce my younger brother to some of the games I loved at his age but with a nice enough current gen shine on them he won't dismiss them straight away. Being a little older I guess I take certain gaming experiences for granted that he's never had. I just hope developers strike the right balance between going back to the well and creating new IP's.

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    You should REALLY play System Shock 2 Knoxie. Its a phenomenal game. Visually, the movies are a bit lo res by todays standards. Also the characters you meet etc look a bit poor by todays standards. However the sound and the environments are absolutely superb. It uses the dark engine that was used in the Thief games (first 2 games in that series)

    There is a fix to get the Indeo movies working, its a basic command line prompt you put in and anything that has the Indeo codec will work. Its not something you have to keep doing either, its a permanent fix. There is also a fix that locks out any extra cores on your processor as dark engine locks up if more than one core is active. Its dead easy to do though and takes a few seconds to run and fix the issue.

    I wish they would redo the first 2 Thief games on that note actually. They are superb games.

    Just noticed that Resi 4 has just had a HD makeover. Apparently though it brings things up to PC standard from when it was released and nothing more. Capcom are taking the mick with that one I think.

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    Odd I'm sure I posted before?

    It all depends on the game and how well it's done, just like hollywood movies, a good reboot/remake can be done if it's good and pays more than basic lipservice to the original, eg fallout3 or Deus Ex

    Although the games industry seems to be better at this than hollywood, which often takes something that was good and remakes it worse when there's just no need for it, often missing the point of the original or remakeing something that was "of it's time" and that remaking it fails because of that.

    One I'd love to see a remake/reboot of would be Syndicate, forgetting the rather crap sequal of Syndiacte Wars (the game was ok but the plot and structure was compaired to the original)

    edit: just spotted that there is a reboot of syndicate happening . . . hope it's actually good
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...-syndicate-fps

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    [QUOTE=Ferral;2125033]You should REALLY play System Shock 2 Knoxie.QUOTE]

    I'll second that!

    You'd need to find a copy first though! I really don't know why EA haven't just re-released it on Steam or Origin for a few quid because it would sell 1000s of copies.

    On the subject of looking glass studios... Thief, I've heard that Thief 4 will be a re-boot? Not sure what I think of that, the events of the first two games really shaped the character. I think I'd prefer it if he just went back to his old ways after the end of Deadly Shadows.
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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    I dont mind if its done well there are some classics out there that need an update. isnt FFVII getting the treatment at somepoint? or is that just a well oiled rumer.

    Syndicate deserves to be remade - apprently its going to be a firt person shooter - hmmm if they make it something like mass effect where u still have a squad to control i can see that working and the fan boys not being too harsh on it

    speedball got remade but wasnt very good - thats dissapointing as i want a proper version of it... u know one thats good!

    SS2 - would get a lot of love if done properly - i missed out back in the day.

    Cannon Fodder that was a great game - wouldnt mind seeing that again

    SWOS - lost half my teenage years to it

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    Star Trek 25th Anniversary and Judgement Rites would be great updated. (keeping original voices though!). I suppose they could change the title to 45th Anniversary
    SS2 of course too.

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    I'm in favour of remakes as long as they keep the feel of the original game. There are several games I'd love to see remade with the advantages of modern hardware but too often the developers want to "improve" on the original somehow losing what made the game good in the first place.

    The main one I want to play again is Crimson Skies.
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    Syndicate Wars, I lost way too much if my life to that game. Would love to see it in HD and 5.1.

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    Thief 1 and 2, Max Payne 1 and 2, Ultima Underworld (for nostalgia), System Shock 2, Sensible World of Soccer.

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Betty_Swallocks View Post
    The main one I want to play again is Crimson Skies.
    That's one I never got to play, it did look very good.

    One thing i do miss is this sort of mission combat flight sim, the space based ones esp.

    I would dearly love to see these sort of games reappear, a new freespace, Independence War, Freelancer, tachyon the fringe, wingcommander (or better yet Starlancer.)

    Starlancer was done on the wingcommander3 engine and while the story was evil commies in space it was good and annoyingly the game ended half way through the story leaving it open for a sequel that never happened.

    X3 is one that's really kept going and while it give a decent sandbox space environment the combat was a bit ropey for my liking and I don't want to control fleets of ships.
    I prefered Freelancer as an overall game, as semi-sandbox, you where a bit restricted in the single player campaign but the story needed it, the combat was good fun and the faction system was great.
    Independence War2 (I never played the original) was again semi-sandbox, has possible the best balance of realism and gameplay in it's space flight&combat mechanic but let down by the piracy and trading system.

    I'd like to see some of the more of these sort of games, with the graphical power of current cards, they could be really impressive.

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pob255 View Post
    That's one I never got to play, it did look very good.

    One thing i do miss is this sort of mission combat flight sim, the space based ones esp.

    I would dearly love to see these sort of games reappear, a new freespace, Independence War, Freelancer, tachyon the fringe, wingcommander (or better yet Starlancer.)

    Starlancer was done on the wingcommander3 engine and while the story was evil commies in space it was good and annoyingly the game ended half way through the story leaving it open for a sequel that never happened.

    X3 is one that's really kept going and while it give a decent sandbox space environment the combat was a bit ropey for my liking and I don't want to control fleets of ships.
    I prefered Freelancer as an overall game, as semi-sandbox, you where a bit restricted in the single player campaign but the story needed it, the combat was good fun and the faction system was great.
    Independence War2 (I never played the original) was again semi-sandbox, has possible the best balance of realism and gameplay in it's space flight&combat mechanic but let down by the piracy and trading system.

    I'd like to see some of the more of these sort of games, with the graphical power of current cards, they could be really impressive.
    I wonder about that .. there is something about the old graphics that has a simplicity to it that makes even the bad games appealing because it comes over as being quirky or some sort of parody of reality ( which in way all games are )

    The only way it would add a lot of games is if if was first person game to with or got changed into it, in which case the game would not be the same game at all, so I disagree.

    Given Rpgs or strategy games werent that popular back in the day - I dont think it would add much, just look at mario , some folk prefer 2d scrolling to the 3d - like me !

    So if u ask me its pretty pointless - graphics alone are not enough to do justice to any sort of reboot which is why so many tried like mortal kombat or diablo 3 fail.

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    Ummm all the games I mentioned are 3d space combat sims and for their time most where highly detailed mainly down to the nature of the game, you don't really have landscapes and such to deal with so all the polys are in the spaceship models which also to their nature are static mesh.

    infact that's what X3 has done

    Now while I've never played X3 only X2, it was the combat mechanic that let it down for me and the open endedness combined with the jump system meant you could break the plot a bit
    Early on there's mission where you're given two routes to go some where, ether the short (fewer sectors) dangerous route or the longer safer route. but I'd already wandered off the main quest line built up a very small empire (half a dozen stations) so it became option 3 I'll use my top end jump engine and jump past the dangerous sectors and go their in one jump.
    And AFAIK the mechanics and gameplay style where carried over to X3 which is want put me off getting it.

    I'm not one who's lured in by pretty graphics alone, the exact oppersit, heck I love minecraft and you cannot say that's got amazing graphics.
    Also the graphics have to suit the game, the last thing you'd want in mario is realism.

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    Re: Gaming reboots/remakes.. what does everybody think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pob255 View Post
    Ummm all the games I mentioned are 3d space combat sims and for their time most where highly detailed mainly down to the nature of the game, you don't really have landscapes and such to deal with so all the polys are in the spaceship models which also to their nature are static mesh.

    infact that's what X3 has done

    Now while I've never played X3 only X2, it was the combat mechanic that let it down for me and the open endedness combined with the jump system meant you could break the plot a bit
    Early on there's mission where you're given two routes to go some where, ether the short (fewer sectors) dangerous route or the longer safer route. but I'd already wandered off the main quest line built up a very small empire (half a dozen stations) so it became option 3 I'll use my top end jump engine and jump past the dangerous sectors and go their in one jump.
    And AFAIK the mechanics and gameplay style where carried over to X3 which is want put me off getting it.

    I'm not one who's lured in by pretty graphics alone, the exact oppersit, heck I love minecraft and you cannot say that's got amazing graphics.
    Also the graphics have to suit the game, the last thing you'd want in mario is realism.
    Minecraft graphics are deceptively well done in the sense they are exactly like what a 3d world of the old nes Zelda or Castlevania games would have looked like .

    I think the novelty of having something like in this day and age makes it stand out more than fancy graphics because it has a concept and very minimalistic style , which is rare to find

    Most of todays games are not simple or minimalistic , but just over the top and tedious.. much like films like that Sucker Punch ..

    Its why other games like Limbo have stood out too and i wish there was more of it., games today have being following this same direction now for so long even the designers are complaining about it , and dumbed down bells & whistle parade who just want to shoot things.

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