Earn your game gold by yourself or get it by money?

[Memoigxe]

We must get our game gold to support game?
I know some people get it from other gamers, while some even buy it, and the rest of them earn it by themselves.
How do you think of it?

[Behemoth]

Not even sure I know what you mean.

[Memoigxe]

people around me, have hot debate on this topic
Their views vary from one to another

[kalniel]

I think this is an attempt to debate the virtues of buying in-game currency with real money, verses earning it in-game.

Well obviously it depends on the game, and associated terms and conditions or EULA. Some games are designed with that as the primary model, such as facebook games, others at the other end are affected negatively by RMT so litigate against it.

Which game are you interested in, in particular, memoigxe?

[Memoigxe]

@kalniel i'm not sure whether it's necessary to use game money to support one's game
I myself play warcraft (pc), and there's no sign, or, say, demand that i must have any gold

I just confused by them, cuz they often talk about how to earn money, but i never met such situation, you know.

I think this is an attempt to debate the virtues of buying in-game currency with real money, verses earning it in-game.

Well obviously it depends on the game, and associated terms and conditions or EULA. Some games are designed with that as the primary model, such as facebook games, others at the other end are affected negatively by RMT so litigate against it.

Which game are you interested in, in particular, memoigxe?

or, that's because my level is so low that i needn't any money??

[KeyboardDemon]

There are a few companies at the moment offering free to play games that are financed through advertising or micro-payments that players make to buy more access time, personalisation features or power ups that speed up progression through the game rather than winning those power ups through completing levels. If these are the types of games that you are thinking about then I would only pay for features in a game where I think I would be playing the game a lot.

I haven't done this since I had paid into Need for Speed World. In that game f2p players had a level cap so I bought the starter pack which added an exclusive (but not very powerful) early stage car and removed the level cap, I think there were a couple of other extra features as well, nothing really offering a major competitive advantage but I don't remember the details in full. It seemed like a good idea, I liked the game and felt that the developers deserved something back. Only shortly after I paid for the starter pack they made all of the exclusive items available to all f2p players as well and removed the level cap which left me feeling cheated.

I now think that if developers want people to invest into the game they need to make it so that those players have suitable incentives to do this without upsetting the overall balance of the game by essentially letting players pay to win. If paying players become too powerful or too great in number the f2p players will stop playing so there will be fewer players in the servers which in turn will mean that the paying customers will also stop playing. And if the incentives aren't big enough or later given away free then players won't buy them in the fist place. For a f2p model to work there has to be some really good anti-cheat measure in place, as if players see cheats being used by others they might decide to play for a while but not spend any money until they can see that cheats are being stopped.

[Memoigxe]

I haven't done this since I had paid into Need for Speed World. In that game f2p players had a level cap so I bought the starter pack which added an exclusive (but not very powerful) early stage car and removed the level cap, I think there were a couple of other extra features as well, nothing really offering a major competitive advantage but I don't remember the details in full.

For a f2p model to work there has to be some really good anti-cheat measure in place, as if players see cheats being used by others they might decide to play for a while but not spend any money until they can see that cheats are being stopped.

yeah, if so, is it just a temptation that attract our players observe it step by step?
Though, there are still so many people pay for their game....

[kalniel]

@kalniel i'm not sure whether it's necessary to use game money to support one's game
I myself play warcraft (pc), and there's no sign, or, say, demand that i must have any gold

I just confused by them, cuz they often talk about how to earn money, but i never met such situation, you know.

Well as far as I know, RMT for WoW is illegal, so we shouldn't even be discussing it. It is a game designed to be fun in the experience of playing to earn in game currency/items and experience, so it would be pointless to pay even more money to avoid having fun!

On the other hand, there are games that are designed with RMT in mind - Diablo 3 is going to be more in that direction. So if that's what you want to do, there are games for that. As usual, we've got free choice of what games to play - there's nothing saying you have to play a game that you don't like!

[Memoigxe]

Well as far as I know, RMT for WoW is illegal, so we shouldn't even be discussing it. It is a game designed to be fun in the experience of playing to earn in game currency/items and experience, so it would be pointless to pay even more money to avoid having fun!

On the other hand, there are games that are designed with RMT in mind - Diablo 3 is going to be more in that direction. So if that's what you want to do, there are games for that. As usual, we've got free choice of what games to play - there's nothing saying you have to play a game that you don't like!

Quite agree with you!!

[Zak33]

WARNING :

if this turns into a money farmer, selling online gold on my forum I will ban your sorry bottom.

Clear?

Money farming is a blight on online gaming...... Adena farming and item theft and online sale of it killed Lineage2 for me.. and I will not allow it here.

I have removed the Exclamation Mark from the title.

[IronWarrior]

I don't trust money farmers, if it's available, I like to buy in-game money using real money through the game store.

Don't play MMO's anymore through.

[Pob255]

As it's been said it depends on the game.

Many of the free to play games have a 2nd currency system, eg a normal in game silver coins, which is the normal base currency, but also have a 2nd currency you can only get by buying it with real money from the company, then most items have two values a silver one and a gold one and some items only are available with gold.
This is the system that's now generally used by most free-to-play mmo's, in game trading is only allowable with the silver currency.

Gold farming is now generally restricted to those games that work off a subscription based system rather than a free-to-play model as there's no way to farm the 2nd currency.

I'm sure there was an MMO which tried to make gold farming legal I don't remember which one it was though.

In many ways I fully agree with Zak that gold farming, in respect of farming and then selling the in game money made for real money, is a blight on online gaming, I seen games where the in game economy is because of it and for that reason I have never and will never buy gold from farmers.
I have bought in secondary game currency on world of tanks but that's the only free-to-play game that I have done it for, in WoT you do need it for higher tier battles, mainly for the premium account, so they've used it to replace a subscription although there is more to buy with it than just premium account.

[Memoigxe]

WARNING :

if this turns into a money farmer, selling online gold on my forum I will ban your sorry bottom.

Clear?

Money farming is a blight on online gaming...... Adena farming and item theft and online sale of it killed Lineage2 for me.. and I will not allow it here.

I have removed the Exclamation Mark from the title.

Yes, just take it easy, i mean no harm and i never want to violate the forum rule

[Memoigxe]

Yes, just take it easy, i mean no harm and i never want to violate the forum rule

@Zak33 and even if i will buy some in the future, i will certainly find a very reliable and legit site or game needs offer.

Just take it easy, dear friend

I don't trust money farmers, if it's available, I like to buy in-game money using real money through the game store.

Don't play MMO's anymore through.

Buying through the game store is sometimes a little serious i think...

anyway, just as what Pob255 said, it depends...

[Pob255]

by "game store" I mean a system built into the game itself and run by the publishers of the game. not the uk retailer GAME (the one's who are currently going into administration)

I'll use World of Tanks (WoT) as an example as it's the only game I've bought currency in.
That game has 2 currencies gold and silver, there are some things you can only buy with gold, like extra garage slots to store more tanks or premium account time or special premium tanks.
Most other things have a gold or silver value, eg buying tanks, guns, ammo, other equipment, etc
Gold can be exchanged for silver but silver cannot be exchanged for gold.
the only way to get gold is to go on the official website and click on the buy gold option, in game there's a buy gold button, that just opens a web browser and links you to the official website.

This means the publishers have control over it, there are no "reputable sellers" because the only seller is the publisher, this is often called a micro payment system, you offer the basic game as free to play but charge for all the little things and often make it very grindy which can be reduced with real money.
Example of the grindy nature here, in WoT a basic free tank crew starts at 50% skill, the difference between a 50% skill crew and a 100% skill crew is very noticeable, your crew gain skill each match played, so you can grind from 50% to 100% but it will take you a lot of games, so there's also the option to pay gold to automatically train your crew to 100%
Now this is a bit like pay-to-win which is one of the most hideous things you can have on any online game, but it's not that bad as you can still get your crew to 100% by grind, if the only way to get a 100% skill crew was to pay gold then it would be pay-to-win and very unfair.

If you want a WoW comparison, it would be a bit like if blizzard started selling gold, although there's something inherently wrong with a subscription based MMO selling in game currency

[Memoigxe]

@Pob255 i believe that there is any game need, there is buying and selling