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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    At work so can't watch link, but i think it's fair to say the title is correct: Listening to STEPS' cover of Tragedy does indeed incite one to increased level of video game violence. 8/10 gamers have at some point renamed the characters in Quake3 to the people in Steps (blonde, random, untalented, died red head and annoying bloke) before shooting them multiple times with the rocket launcher while screaming STFU STFU STFU. To be fair though it isn't just limited to Tragedy, any of their songs can be shown to produce the same reaction.

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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    See it was TB and switched off.

    Now he is a tragedy.
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    for all intents it seems to be the same card minus some gays name on it and a shielded cover ? with OEM added to it - GoNz0.

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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    I've never watched his other videos before but I had to agree with most of the points he made, care to enlighten me?


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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    I just can't stand him.
    Kalniel: "Nice review Tarinder - would it be possible to get a picture of the case when the components are installed (with the side off obviously)?"
    CAT-THE-FIFTH: "The Antec 300 is a case which has an understated and clean appearance which many people like. Not everyone is into e-peen looking computers which look like a cross between the imagination of a hyperactive 10 year old and a Frog."
    TKPeters: "Off to AVForum better Deal - £20+Vat for Free Shipping @ Scan"
    for all intents it seems to be the same card minus some gays name on it and a shielded cover ? with OEM added to it - GoNz0.

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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    He does come across as smug at times but I do like his stuff.

    I don't often fully agree with him, thankfully, but as he's so fond of saying, "don't blindly follow my opinion, make up your own mind."
    He's often brutally honest about himself and his own motivations, which is something I like and respect about him, he makes youtube video's and gets paid via ad money to do it, if there wasn't a way to monetise youtube then he'd make a heck of a lot less videos.
    He's also open about the fact he's not monetising this video (although granted by doing this he's boosting his personal "brand" which would feed back into his other monetised videos) The points he's making are not new and are generally the views and reasoning of the psychological profession.

    Most of this has already been covered well by Pen & Teller in bull**** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaF9nbLo8as
    There's also a strange affection between the american public and school shootings, why so many happen in the US is a strange thing.

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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    there was that big one in Russia (or was it Ukraine?) a few years back, and we had Dunblane. And it's not just guns - there was that tool who went into a playschool with a machete (again in the UK). I think it's more to do with nutter wanting no chance of someone fighting back.

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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    That's the point the US gets more, both per-person and as an individual country.
    For some reason the US attracts more school attacks than other countries.

    and as pen & teller pointed out the worst us school killing in history is still Andrew Kehoe in 1927 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Kehoe well before computer games, tv or graphic movies

    So the certain media formats blaming different media formats while sensationalising the actions is nothing more than a morally crass attempt to boost ratings and sales under the disguise of news.

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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    He makes some good points but as others have stated he does seem to come across as a bit arrogant and patronizing, it does pain me however that every time something like this happens instead of focusing on the real issue of mental health care attention is diverted to the same old hat issues of gun control, video games, blah blah blah

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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    Quote Originally Posted by conb123 View Post
    He makes some good points but as others have stated he does seem to come across as a bit arrogant and patronizing, it does pain me however that every time something like this happens instead of focusing on the real issue of mental health care attention is diverted to the same old hat issues of gun control, video games, blah blah blah
    The issue of gun control is a valid one.
    The trouble in the US is that guns are accessable to so many people. When a kid snaps, he goes home and has access to firearms.
    Seems like all the incidents of school shootings that happen in the states are young teens using thier parents guns. In nearly all other western countries Firearms are kept in a safe. Usually with the ammo and rifle bolts kept in a second safe. Also legal assualt rifles? Kept at home without a safe? Bonkers...

    As for the association with games, it's just a bit of OTT reporting. I doubt there's many young males now that don't enjoy a FPS or GTA. With that kind of reporting their could probably be a link between going to the scouts and CoD... They are not the cause of the trouble.

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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy3536 View Post
    As for the association with games, it's just a bit of OTT reporting. I doubt there's many young males now that don't enjoy a FPS or GTA. With that kind of reporting their could probably be a link between going to the scouts and CoD... They are not the cause of the trouble.
    For most people yes, but there will be the odd unhinged/imbalanced one for whom the obsession morphs into psychotic disorder. But then I imagine such a person would turn out just the same whether or not they had the games to indulge in. I'm fairly certain murder didn't start with the invention of the TV, nor did public shootings only happen after home personal computing and the release of Ikari Warriors.

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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy3536 View Post
    The issue of gun control is a valid one.
    The trouble in the US is that guns are accessable to so many people. When a kid snaps, he goes home and has access to firearms.
    Seems like all the incidents of school shootings that happen in the states are young teens using thier parents guns. In nearly all other western countries Firearms are kept in a safe. Usually with the ammo and rifle bolts kept in a second safe. Also legal assualt rifles? Kept at home without a safe? Bonkers...
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    Most states do have firm laws agout the storage of weapons, and kids could not go home and access guns unless the parents are breaking laws, and ones that carry serious penalties. For instance, in Massachusetts, allowing such access to a large capacity rifle or shotgun to an under 18 unless they have their own valid firearm id carries a maximum penalty of 10 years, and a minimum of two and a half years. And a large fine can be added. Weapons have to be stored in a way that they are unaccessible or inoperable. Ch 140 Section 135L.

    The problem is, not all parents or gun owners are responsible, or comply even with state laws.

    And if weapons are stored in a decent safe and the combination kept from the kids, they aren't getting access, period.

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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    I remember when roleplaying games like D&D were considered to have " bad influences " on children too in the US.

    Something I dont think ever happened over here ..

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    The guy makes some sense.

    The media is all about selling news to us if we want it or not. I never understand those people who buy chat magazines to get the latest gossip about celebs. If there is demand there will be supply. I have always found the media to be immoral with a lot of sensitive cases like the phone hacking scandal with Maddie Mcann. One of the many reasons why I don't read newspapers much.

    Video games, just like movies, music or TV shows are not the cause of mentally disturbed people killing innocent people.

    Give a mentally deranged person who is in disturbed state a gun, knife or car and they will hurt someone with it.

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    Re: Tragedy and Video Game Violence

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    Most states do have firm laws agout the storage of weapons, and kids could not go home and access guns unless the parents are breaking laws, and ones that carry serious penalties. For instance, in Massachusetts, allowing such access to a large capacity rifle or shotgun to an under 18 unless they have their own valid firearm id carries a maximum penalty of 10 years, and a minimum of two and a half years. And a large fine can be added. Weapons have to be stored in a way that they are unaccessible or inoperable. Ch 140 Section 135L.

    The problem is, not all parents or gun owners are responsible, or comply even with state laws.

    And if weapons are stored in a decent safe and the combination kept from the kids, they aren't getting access, period.
    Also it still doesn't answer the number of school shootings that happen.
    Canada has high gun ownership too but does not have the same levels of school shootings (even when you take into account the smaller populations)

    And Switzerland has the highest levels of gun ownership in the world (as as total number of gun owners as % of total pupulation), this is in part because of their system of national service, so almost every male over the age of 20 is required to keep and maintain their own assault rifle (after their term of national service is up they are all automatically part of the reserve, so by law have to keep and maintain their kit.) but also general gun ownership and availability is very high.
    Yes as a percentage of population the murder rate in Switzerland is actually relatively low (as a % per population slightly below the UK murder rate), however a relatively high proportion, about 22%, of the murders are committed with firearms (compared to the UK) and the state issued assault rifles do make up a chunk of them, yet they still don't have loads of school shootings, in fact the total since the ww2 is zero.
    Oh and children do have access to firearms, Switzerland has fairly open but tight gun laws. eg minimum age to join a shooting club and compete in competitions is 12

    Switzerland is one of the major arguments used against gun control, murder rate is relatively low, other crime rates are very low and of those other crimes (eg robbery) involvement of firearms is low.

    EDIT: then again Switzerland has one of the best mental health systems and one of the lowest mental health problem rates in the world
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    Most states do have firm laws agout the storage of weapons, and kids could not go home and access guns unless the parents are breaking laws, and ones that carry serious penalties. For instance, in Massachusetts, allowing such access to a large capacity rifle or shotgun to an under 18 unless they have their own valid firearm id carries a maximum penalty of 10 years, and a minimum of two and a half years. And a large fine can be added. Weapons have to be stored in a way that they are unaccessible or inoperable. Ch 140 Section 135L.

    The problem is, not all parents or gun owners are responsible, or comply even with state laws.

    And if weapons are stored in a decent safe and the combination kept from the kids, they aren't getting access, period.
    There are 2 problems with these rules:
    1. Difficult to properly enforce until after its gone wrong
    2. KIDS ARE SMART, by putting 'period' after the sentence doesn't make it fact. The more careful you are, the less LIKELY it is they will get in there. It is most certainly, not definite.

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