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    Thumbs down BattleField 2 "plays best on nVidia"? Methinks not!

    This makes for an intriguing read, considering the branding EA have slapped into BF2's intro sequence.

    http://www.tcmagazine.info/articles....howarticle=155

    EDIT: Just for the record, I purchase my cards based on their individual merits - not by reference brand, so this isn't supposed to be a poke at nVidia.
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    My ati 9800 pro seems to run it well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Famished
    My ati 9800 pro seems to run it well
    Yeah, that's the point! They stick that nVidia logo all over it, but when it comes to the crunch, ATi trounce them. Even more bizarre considering the two companies are usually pretty much on the level in all other tests......EA are just sell-outs.

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    isnt the whole HL2 plays best on ATi and bf2 is meant for nVidia a load of poop though?

    the companies know it doesnt run better and even it does mabye by like 2 fps but think of how many people believe them and therefore buy one of their GPUS - loyalty should follow if the person is naive enough, and how good the advertising is for them! especially if the game is good (apparently bf2 is a little bit of a let down, havnt played it myself)

    i just dont listen to what game runs better with which card 'according' to the developers of the game

    ps i really dislike nvidia for ramming there logo down our throats on all the games which are supposed to play better with them, i have never seen ATi do any of that

    nice one ATi, you get my vote for that side of things for sure

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    Nvidia sent me a magazine devoted to BF2 running on their cards

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    I can honestly say, from first hand expereince with several of the cards used in the TC reveiw, that techconnect is full of crap. A 6800 does not run BF2 slower than a 9800pro. A 6800 Ultra does not run BF2 slower than an X800XL. A X850XT (non PE, as the card I have access to will not run at 850XT-PE speeds) does run faster than an 6800Ultra, but the difference is marginal.

    I really don't know what the hell techconnect was thinking. They used non compareable settings for the cards and used drivers that I had some problems with. Look at the systems they tested the cards with. The X800XL and X850XT-PE are being tested on an athlon 64 X2 4800+, while the 6800 is tested on an Athlpn XP 2600+! This is wildly misleading (well to everyone who posted here before me anyway) as they are all lumped on the same chart.

    Here read Techconnect's benchmark setup, it's absurd: http://www.tcmagazine.info/articles....ge=1&pagenum=3

    FiringSquad comes really close to what I personally see.

    Here's the firing squad article:
    http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...o_performance/
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    There are other places to check out the fastest card benchmarks as well. The ATI cards have an edge over the current 68xx series from Nvidia. Crossfire is also more efficient than SLI. What remains to be seen is the R520 coming out and the 78xx series as well. I think those cards running standalone could hit 10k on 3dmark05.

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    What does any of that have to do with battlefield 2 performance?

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    What a farcical benchmark.

    Of course the ATi cards are going to look good when they're running in a system with twice the power of the other cards being tested.

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    It basically has nothing to do with "fanboy best card in the world fight" So all the ATi and Nvidia peeps can stop having a spitting competition in who's the best.

    The reason you are seeing this "Best played on Nvidia" on games is due to the fact that the Nvidia cards use the shader 3 instructions (basically adds a few glowing effects and shading etc etc) which the games are starting to use. As far as I know ATi haven't gone down that route as yet but I am sure their next cards have them. At the end of the day a graphics card is a graphics card. Who gives a toss if your card pushes 101 fps in HL with everything on whilst the competitors card pushes 110fps, here's a shocker, after 60fps your eyes can't even tell the difference. Even better forget about this crap known as 3D mark, lets all get excited that your card did 4000 points, guess what, it means bugger all, because the amount of times I have seen people go "ooooo I am getting 5000 points" then they go to play the game and it lags like crap and they dont understand why as they got 5000 points, the drivers are tweaked for the benchmarks. Hence why more and more of the big named reviewers on the net are using the actual games.
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    Hmm, I neglected to take a detailed look at the test rig setups, as I assumed that (as in ANY 'scientific' experiment) the rigs would be identical in every way except gfx cards (and therefore drivers).....obviously, not.

    I also saw this newspost today from Gamespot. They've run a bunch of tests to determine which graphics settings lead to the biggest drop in frame rates. Pretty much as as expected, the conculsion is Dynamic Lighting and Shadowing, but you know....it's always nice to have confirmation.

    As for the branding thing - as was already said ATi HAVE done branding on a major game like HL2 (which blew up in their faces anyway I seem to remember). The only other game I can think of that they've done it with was Rollercoaster Tycoon 3, although if you ask me I think that game is affected more by the CPU than by gfx cards.
    ATi have also put their branding into Guild Wars (but to a lesser extent....I've only seen their logo on the GW website).

    Although I realise that there is probably little substance behind the branding (i.e. nVidia/ATi are probably doing little more than hiring advertising space in the game's intro sequence), I can't shake the feeling that perhaps along with the adverts, they're also paying the developers to optimise for their cards, and screw over the opposition.

    EDIT: Just for the record, I purchase my cards based on their individual merits - not by reference brand, so this isn't supposed to be a poke at nVidia.
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    Well, when your benchmarking a 6800 against an X850 XT-PE there's not really any point running the benchmark as we all know who is going to win. They didn't even have a 6800 GT, let alone a 6800 Ultra in the test.

    And on top of all that I just read the benchmark setups... X2 4800 vs. an Athlon XP 2800.
    I don't mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious, but I am so that's the way it comes out.

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    I can run BF2 on high everything, 1280x1024 with 4xAA with only dynamic lights to medium and it runs without lag (minus HDD access early on in game). If it works, it works. That review was highly flawed and I hope it is done again with a fairer setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pirate Pete
    .......ps i really dislike nvidia for ramming there logo down our throats on all the games which are supposed to play better with them, i have never seen ATi do any of that ............
    Just remove the .bik files from the mods/movies folder, no more ads/intro

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    hmm 2600 or 4800+.. now that is DUMB practise..
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