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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent View Post
    Port 443 ?
    Thats SSL isnt it ? - you'll find it hard to sniff stuff over that.
    Only if you don't control one of the end points.

    Also if the attacker is able to add new root certificates to your list of trusted certs (eg by installing software) they can mount a man in the middle attack.
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    This might help to clarify a few details...

    http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/action/bat...ml?sid=6160062

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    This http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=11300 and http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6160062.html?sid=6160062 let IGA say there bit. I have no problem with BF2142 now. No cookie / browser cache searching, they don't monitor surfing, and they don't keep your IP.
    This hot girl came over to myspace last night, she twittered my yahoo till I
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    those development costs for triple-A games are going to go up threefold, potentially up to $30 million in development costs per game.And what I don't see happening is a threefold increase in retail prices to accommodate that. That would not be fair; that would not be realistic. If gamers are to expect a constant flow of high-quality, next-generation games to the marketplace, they have to understand that publishers need to find and develop new revenue streams. In-game advertising is one of those new revenue streams, therefore it's only good for the industry on the whole.
    oh yeah that clarifies everything. there business model is wrecked. And rather than producing better quality game that sell more copies they want to stuff advertising in there. OH BUT WE MUST THANK THEM FOR NOT CHARGING 3 TIME AS MUCH FOR THE GAMES.

    thats the end of EA for me.

    also.. 30 million dollars development for what is a BF2 mod with a box? BULL
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadduckUK View Post
    FOR NOT CHARGING 3 TIME AS MUCH FOR THE GAMES.
    Errr...eh? Who said that, eh? A AAA 360 game costs as much as a AAA game (on the PS2) 3 years ago!!

    I'm no devils advocate, and I am no fan of advertising or spyware in-game, that's is hardly 'bull'...
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    None of you remember SNES do you? If you did you wouldn't be moaning about game prices

    I've now decided to support people boycotting EA. less people TK'ing me for planes, less people sitting on the carrier, less rammers. Heaven
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    Actually im starting to quite enjoy all this! Have you seen the latest one? Some people are experiencing problems with the 1.01 patch, a known issue, from the patch release notes;

    Players who have the Windows security update KB917422 installed may suffer from an application error when running Battlefield 2142. This error can be solved by uninstalling the KB917422 update.

    Heheee - funny stuff. Tell you what though, there's no way in hell that Im going to uninstall a security patch because DICEs software is having a 'problem'. Good fun. Anyway, here's the link to that thread on totalbf2142... http://www.totalbf2142.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4893
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    Just wondering how different this is from all the monitoring that Valve do of people playing their games?

    The only difference I can tell is that Valve store the stats locally and ask your permission before uploading it to their servers - surely EA could do the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Just wondering how different this is from all the monitoring that Valve do of people playing their games?

    The only difference I can tell is that Valve store the stats locally and ask your permission before uploading it to their servers - surely EA could do the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noTHINGface View Post
    Actually im starting to quite enjoy all this! Have you seen the latest one? Some people are experiencing problems with the 1.01 patch, a known issue, from the patch release notes;

    Players who have the Windows security update KB917422 installed may suffer from an application error when running Battlefield 2142. This error can be solved by uninstalling the KB917422 update.

    Heheee - funny stuff. Tell you what though, there's no way in hell that Im going to uninstall a security patch because DICEs software is having a 'problem'. Good fun. Anyway, here's the link to that thread on totalbf2142... http://www.totalbf2142.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4893
    what does KB917422 do? it's a fix for: "A security issue has been identified in the Windows Kernel that could allow an attacker to compromise your Windows-based system and gain control over it."

    so BF2142 only works if your system has a remote rootable exploit enabled

    honestly, 2142 is the first BF game i've had any interest in - and the one i'm least likely to buy, given recent behaviour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Scott View Post
    You don't make money by asking.
    Well they're not making money on the data directly, it's just so they can work out how much exposure adverts get.

    But very silly to do it with the player base - far better to have preset locations for adverts, and then have a decent beta-test where you do collect that sort of information and then charge for the adverts according to which got the most exposure in the beta test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Just wondering how different this is from all the monitoring that Valve do of people playing their games?

    The only difference I can tell is that Valve store the stats locally and ask your permission before uploading it to their servers - surely EA could do the same?
    Bit clueless re Valve/Steam, what is it that they do exactly?

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    Greetings,
    We would like to provide more information on in-game advertising in Battlefield 2142. To try and help everyone better understand it, here is how it works.

    The in-game advertisement is respectful of players' privacy: it never accesses files not directly related to the game, and it does not capture personal data such as cookies, account login detail, gameplay behaviour or surfing history. As it is an integrated part of Battlefield 2142 and not a separate program, it only runs when the game is running.

    Because BF2142 delivers ads by region, the IP address of the player is used to determine the region of the player and helps serve ads by region and language; for instance, a player in Paris will be presented with ads in French. Note that this IP address is not stored on the advertisement server and is not repurposed for other uses.

    A unique ID number is anonymously assigned the first time the player joins a Battlefield 2142 online game. It is stored locally on the PC but is not linked to any personal details.

    The in-game advertisement gathers what we call “impression data”, such as location of the billboard in the game or duration of advertisement impression. It helps see how many people have seen an ad – but not who has seen it.

    We are also conscious that the advertisement shouldn’t distract the player from the overall gaming experience, so all ads fit in the unique environment of each level in the game. The content of the ads is also controlled to ensure that no offensive content is displayed in Battlefield 2142.

    We all hope that this explanation will address recent concerns on the advertisement in Battlefield 2142.

    See you on the Battlefield.

    -Your Dice Live Team
    Source: EA Forums

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steyr View Post
    Bit clueless re Valve/Steam, what is it that they do exactly?
    They collect stats about your computer specifications, how long you take through each stage of the game, how many times you were killed at each difficulty level etc. When you finish playing a pop up asks you if you'd mind submitting the data to the steam servers for general statistic analysis etc.

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    Ah, so its optional on Steam? I also heard that it scans your hdd, true?

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    Ah, so its optional on Steam? I also heard that it scans your hdd, true?
    nah, that's WoW

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