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    PS3 way overhyped

    So the fact that some said it was hyped may have led you to think the statement was hyped.

    I'm hearing more and more from first hand users (that are play testing and some who have the dev kits in EA), that it's actually buggy as hell, crap to play on and basically not to buy it.

    I know some of these people have no reason for bias and are rational in their thinking.

    I know the price will be similar to 360 but I am still not keen on it. 360 is still a year ahead of them and always dictates to them.

    People know in the back of the mind the damn thing is going to flop and wall street have some crazy speculations about it having 3x more sales than XBOX 360... from what I can tell they are in lala land
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    No matter what Internet doom-mongers decide to say about Sony, the fact is it will sell millions, probably a lot more than the 360, of that I'm 90-95% sure. (And I'm saying this as a fence-sitter, it really doesn't bother me if they're successful or not).

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    AlCapacino - sounds like you havean agenda here. but trying to come accross as haveing a balanced view, which i doubt you do.

    i also wouldnt trust anything that came out of EA mouth.
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    You're right I am biased.

    But I am passing on the opinion of those who *have* played it.

    To me, this would be better than some game site or magazine because I know the background of such people.

    This is not out of EA's mouth... more like a casual gamer who happens to have access to one... I could post the link but I don't want to cause problems for anyone.

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    Just to fly off topic for a second: why do people hold biases for consoles? Serious question.

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    pepsi or coke? adidas or nike? lancer or impreza? basically everything on the planet devides people in some way.. why not consoles?
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    That doesn't explain why.

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    ok then.. its human nature, something built-in to us
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    Again, like so many other threads.. lets only judge the system when its already on shelves? Any speculations before that is just as plain as a white board..

    Yes its true, most ppl seems to be more comfortable standing on one side of the fence. But having said that, this PS3 Xbox360 rant is getting a little out of hand sometimes I feel. We all know Sony can sometimes be a big silly and shoots himself in the feet pretty often.. but having judged against every press conference they make is a little harsh.

    Its like on conferences where they do well, we go like.. nyehh! got lucky..
    and when they do badly, we go like.. AHA! See! I knew it was rubbish..

    And for Xbox fanboys, when Microsoft hits the nail on the head, they go like WOOHOO! You go Microsoft..
    and when they dont do well, most often its blamed on Sony for spoiling the show.. Sometimes it gets to me really, even just being someone who's sitting on the fence..

    There are some which dislikes both, that rants about how silly the whole thing is.. and every press conference they make as bogus..

    Figures... maybe its just me..
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    Well I think sony have alienated alot of thier customers by first creating a poor product (the PS2, not that the PS2 is a bad console in terms of gaming, but it's build quality is awful), then thier execs basically insulted the gaming population by saying the $599 price tag of the PS3 is very cheap for what you get and if you can't afford one you don't deserve the excellence that is the playstation brand. For that I think they deserve a bit of bad press.

    I don't doubt that the PS3, is in reality, dirt cheap for what you get. But when only a minute amount of people who buy the PS3 can take advantage of the BR player, it's pointless. Sony are marketing this as a replacement for not only all your other consoles and media players, but your PC as well, but the majority of the people who buy the PS3 don't want that, they want to play MGS4 and GT5, they probably have a PC that is better at being a PC than the PS3 is already.

    I think the real reason behind the BR player in the PS3 is to try and put them on-top of the format war between it and HD-DVD. BR has only been released, very few people buy into a new technology like this, but sony is forcing this technology onto people who just want to play the next installment of thier favourite sony exclusive game.

    Quite frankly I wouldn't mind seeing Sony burn in corporate hell, this is coming from an ex-fanboy.


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    No I honestly think you do not want to see Sony burn to the ground.. yes they can be a very snobbish, but thats just how Japanese companies work. If Sony burns to the ground, imagine what will happen to the third incarnation of Xbox? No competition = no incentive to innovate or price cut..

    I know Nintendo is selling the Wii for a much cheaper price but thats not the same tech category. There just has to be one category where they push the technological envelope, i.e. MS and Sony.

    Also, on the bit where its suppose to replace the PC and such.. If you think about it it does carry a fairly heavy ounce of truth. Think about the Japanese market and also a majority of the population, most ppl do not own a PC that is better suited for a PC like us. The premium version really does make sense as a replacement for an HTPC, media center and such.. It will fulfill the gap for not getting a proper PC and getting something in between that will do 'most' things that the 'usual casual user' would use..

    Yes they do have fans that ONLY want to play MGS and such, which is why you have the 20GB version with everything else cut down.. I know the price is still high, but its fairly reasonable..

    Whether they want to BD war or not, thats just how it is. You could call it corporate sinisterism, but if you look into lighter terms, you could just giving yourself reasons to dip into Blueray. In all instances, it has the upper hand in technology, and it does carry more strength than the HD-DVD IMO anyways..

    And finally, the current PS3 price tag really isnt that high is it? I mean I know its very high for students and all who wants to bag one by pestering their parents, but for the rest of the working society, even for a poor academic like me, £500 isnt that much if you think about it as a replacement for 'most' of your things at home. Its a hard decision, may not be a wise one, but Sony has just slotted themselves into the premium category now with the PS3, just like any premium products.. I mean, just like Apple and all.. you are literally paying shed loads for little to nothing here.. but why are we still buying apple? I can only think that after ppl do all the ranting, they come to realise that its jsut something different..
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawyen View Post
    And finally, the current PS3 price tag really isnt that high is it? I mean I know its very high for students and all who wants to bag one by pestering their parents, but for the rest of the working society, even for a poor academic like me, £500 isnt that much if you think about it as a replacement for 'most' of your things at home. Its a hard decision, may not be a wise one, but Sony has just slotted themselves into the premium category now with the PS3, just like any premium products.. I mean, just like Apple and all.. you are literally paying shed loads for little to nothing here.. but why are we still buying apple? I can only think that after ppl do all the ranting, they come to realise that its jsut something different..
    But thats just it, it's not a replacement for most of the things in my home, when I say the PS3 wont be as good at being a PC than average joes PC is, I don't mean in terms of gaming, I mean in just being a PC, web browsing, word processing, etc. Even a cheap Dell will be better at it that the PS3 because a windows PC is just so much more flexible than a console will ever be. Can I install AutoCAD 2007 onto a PS3? I very much doubt it.

    MS have had a better angle on this, instead of trying to make the 360 into a fantastic do everything console, they've made it a gaming machine. With thier expertise in the PC world, they've made it so you can link up your PC and xbox together and are gradually adding more and more functionality, soon you'll be able to do stuff like queue demo downloads from your PC at work. MS know that you're not going to be able to replace a PC anytime soon.

    Will everyone throw out thier PCs, CD players, DVD players, etc. when they get thier PS3? No they wont, sony have forgotten that the playstation, is first and foremost, a gaming console. Most of the people who appreciate that the PS3 is a all round media machine in all likelyhood have much better kit than what the PS3 has to offer anyway.

    £500 for what you get for the PS3 isn't very expensive at all, but £500 for a console is. Almost everyone who buys a PS3 will be buying it as a gaming console, the majority of the people buying it also wont be able to take advantage of the BR player (you said that they released the lower budget one for this reason, but this version isn't being sold in the UK, only the premium version). Say you walked into a greasy spoon, would you buy the normal fry up, or would you buy the fry up thats exactly the same, but because it comes on a fancy plate and you get a stake knife with it, it costs twice the price, unless you had a plate fetish, youd buy the cheap one.

    Why would any sane person buying a gaming console, someone who isn't a fanboy of any particular console, ignoring any exclusive titles, buy a PS3 over a Wii when it's almost half the price?

    Unfortuneately, the PS3 will sell out on release, just because it has Playstation 3 written on it.
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    Bluray alone will sell near the £1k mark but many have pointed out its flaws already so bets are turning toward HD-DVD. Microsoft have more finanical power to subsidise the XBOX 360 than Sony do to PS3. Remember, PS line is what really kept Sony going over the last decade or so. Restrictive practices really worked against them but that's just the nature of the company.

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    I have to say that I buy a console for gaming. The fact that the 360 plays DVD's and (some time soon) HD-DVD's is just a bonus. I play CSS all the time on my PC but it's the 360 I turn to when I want to have a quick game of something...despite having a load of AAA titles on my PC.

    Also a console is a communal thing. Playing PES with 8 or so mates is awesome

    The PS3 can't possibly replace a PC...but it does make it nice and easy for the kids to get on the internet I spose. Let's hope it's got great child restrictions on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by kempez View Post
    Also a console is a communal thing. Playing PES with 8 or so mates is awesome
    Yeah same here, I like consoles for thier multiplayer games, although looking at my 360 collection, I play all of them on my own. Oh apart from LEGO Star Wars II, which I spent about 2 weeks solidly playing with my housemate.

    Consoles are far better for gaming with people, I've had Halo 2 multiplayer games that have gone on accidentally untill the small hours of the morning, with PCs you just can't get anything like that.

    With modern consoles, adding in DVD playback functionality doesn't really add in alot of cost to the user, the console already has a DVD drive since games are too big for CDs now, so it's only software that has to be added. DVDs are still a perfectly acceptable format for gaming, the 25Gb that BR disks give isn't needed. Apart from a couple of horribly drawn out RPGs, no console game has spilled over to a second DVD. The only thing BR offers developers for gaming is them not having to compress thier games and for them to make pointlessly gigantic RPGs. The reason for a BR drive in a PS3 is really for BR playback, it would've been much better from the consumers standpoint if they had a external BR drive like the 360 has (will have for HD-DVD), since then, people who wanted the PS3 for games could get the PS3 on it's own, people who want both a PS3 and a BR player could get the BR bundle. Constrict the developers to publishing games on CD or DVD only and ther'll be hardly an impact on the games. If you bought a PS3 for the games, would you want to pay &#163;200 more just so you don't have to swap a DVD over in 1% of all the games made?

    Although people probably wouldn't like having a PS3 and an external drive as well, so there could be a non-BR and a BR version, with the only difference being the drive thats in there, and if non-BR PS3 owners want a cheaper BR player later on, they can buy a seperate external BR drive.
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    Consoles are far better for gaming with people, I've had Halo 2 multiplayer games that have gone on accidentally untill the small hours of the morning, with PCs you just can't get anything like that.
    try an mmorpg, or even champ, iv played both types for silly hours at a time before. as for shooty games, counterstrike was always an amazing "one more round" game.
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