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    another sony bitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Sony executive Izumi Kawanishi
    Because we have plans for having Linux on board [the PS3], we also recognize Linux programming activities... Other than game studios tied to official developer licenses, we'd like to see various individuals participate in content creation for the PS3.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sony executive Phil Harrison
    Playstation 3 is a computer. We don't need the PC.
    so. what kind of homebrew-friendly computer is it, exactly?

    one using fbdev.

    for the non-linux users, i shall explain. you know when you first install windows on some random hardware, and you have no graphics drivers? the crappy default driver that can't even run a flash advert properly?

    well, that's a few steps more advanced than fbdev

    sony's quivering fear at being swamped with million-selling unlicensed games for powerpc-linux means they've locked down the hardware to a silly extent, preventing any access to the graphics chip

    thereby rendering the linux capability of the ps3 utterly pointless, and any claims of encouraging homebrew are bull**** (reckon you can go much further than minesweeper without a graphics driver?)

    yet again, nice one sony

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    Can I jus ask, who buys a PS3 and then doesn't play they glorious HD games for it?

    And how many of the average PS3 owners could actually operate Linux fully enough to get games working as well as those designed for the PS3?

    Genius Sony, Genius...

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    bloody hell those are some short sighted questions
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    Expected better than a random rant from the OP tbh. It's a step in the right direction, and something which can be improved upon.

    Don't turn into a fanboy hexy.

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    You act like this is some sort of surprise hexy?

    This has been known about for *months*, no you've got no direct hardware access at the moment, but numerous sources (from YDL devs in fact) have said that this sort of support is coming, once they punch a few holes in the hardware filter (can't remember the proper name at the moment - don't shoot me..)

    Oh well, I did give up of any rational discussion of the PS3 and anything Sony on HEXUS a while ago..

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    why is everyone bashing sony?? would everyone have bashed the xbox 360 if that was released alot later than ps3 and they had there marketing machine in motion to make up for this fact

    kinda off topic but whats the price for the games goin to be ?

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    Makes having to pay for XNA not seam so bad now!

    Thing is, they can easily just say "you can run your own linux apps" and kill it. Think how the PS2 had that basic or was it pascal like language on it. I did a hello world, changed the colour a little bit, and then realised you could do nothing useful on it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmiller View Post
    why is everyone bashing sony?? would everyone have bashed the xbox 360 if that was released alot later than ps3 and they had there marketing machine in motion to make up for this fact

    kinda off topic but whats the price for the games goin to be ?
    The problems it has had and sonys attitude cannot be ignored; people will talk about it and slate it and sony. Had MS ballsed major aspects of the 360 up, you can rest assured it would have been slated just like the ps3 has been.

    The games are 50 quid a pop on play. To be fair I seem to remember the 360 games cost around £50 when that first came out. I could be wrong though. They should drop in time.
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    I don't see the problem here, Hexy.

    The two comments you've quoted don't contradict each other. I don't see what's said in those comments that prove that "Sony's quivering fear...".

    I don't see how it's going to kill the homebrew stuff at the moment. Developers will have to find their own way to develop for it. The "official graphics develpoment kit" for lack of a better word on my behalf is licenced to official game developers, and not your average Joe who would like to do something more than a hello world app.

    Forgive my ignorance, but do you get good homebrew stuff on the 360? I'm not baiting for yet another ps3 vs xbox thread of course, just trying to see what homebrew programming is possible on other "consoles", such as xbox, wii, ds, etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoo View Post
    You act like this is some sort of surprise hexy?

    This has been known about for *months*, no you've got no direct hardware access at the moment, but numerous sources (from YDL devs in fact) have said that this sort of support is coming, once they punch a few holes in the hardware filter (can't remember the proper name at the moment - don't shoot me..)

    Oh well, I did give up of any rational discussion of the PS3 and anything Sony on HEXUS a while ago..

    Pointless rants FTW!
    it's frustrating and arbitrary to prevent *any* acceleration (by that i mean "2d sprite-based apps will be jerky"). it also means the ps3's supposed "computer" capability is useless

    i had an epiphany a few weeks back when i realised what the ps3's linux capability meant - that £425 wasn't an expensive games console, but a very cheap box that could not only serve to play games, but be a stylish mythtv box too.

    but sony's intentional crippling means no, that's not the case, and i'd need to buy a second machine to do media work.

    the term you want, btw, is "hypervisor"

    Quote Originally Posted by tfboy View Post
    I don't see the problem here, Hexy.

    The two comments you've quoted don't contradict each other. I don't see what's said in those comments that prove that "Sony's quivering fear...".

    I don't see how it's going to kill the homebrew stuff at the moment. Developers will have to find their own way to develop for it. The "official graphics develpoment kit" for lack of a better word on my behalf is licenced to official game developers, and not your average Joe who would like to do something more than a hello world app.

    Forgive my ignorance, but do you get good homebrew stuff on the 360? I'm not baiting for yet another ps3 vs xbox thread of course, just trying to see what homebrew programming is possible on other "consoles", such as xbox, wii, ds, etc
    the comments are bull****, because the ps3's linux support is utterly incapable of running 2d smoothly (e.g. video playback), let alone 3d. homebrew developers have the option of making a million and one different card games, but nothing requiring animation or 3d. fantastic, really pushing the envelope there

    as for the 360, if you pay money () of about fifty quid a year, you get access to the "XNA Creators' Club", which gives a complete 2D & 3D development capability based on XNA (which is essentially directx.net) - ironically making windowsy .net development for 360 significantly more powerful than the complete linux system advertised from day 1 as one of the ps3's major features.

    no, in the end none of this matters to the machine's primary or secondary capabilities (blu-ray movies & games), but it's intensely frustrating to see a half-arsed arbitrarily crippled system in place which could *almost* make the ps3 a kickass system for non-gaming purposes

    i'm pissed that i'll need to spend five hundred quid on a mac mini or similar, because sony's solution has been intentionally locked down in a stupid manner. without that limitation, the ps3 would have gone from "when there's eventually a game i'll think about getting one" in my mind to "worth having one in each room"

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    Is it possible that enthusiasts will be able to come up with the goods and unlock the hardware and write their own drivers etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by autopilot View Post
    Is it possible that enthusiasts will be able to come up with the goods and unlock the hardware and write their own drivers etc?
    not as long as sony's hypervisor masks access to the hardware

    much like with ps2 linux, there's no access to *real* hardware. it's like the entire thing is running in vmware, but with inferior emulated hardware

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    slightly OT, you done anything cool with XNA yet hex? I've yet too bother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    slightly OT, you done anything cool with XNA yet hex? I've yet too bother.
    cba rebooting to play with it. i'm keeping an eye on the mono.xna guys though

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    I don't understand any of the above I was just suprised by the profanity in the title. Don't normally see that around here and I am disappointed.

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    fits perfect.
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