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I think we're just more aware of it since they started telling us to look out for terrorists.
Have you heard the ad on the radio asking us to phone a number if we think someone looks supicious?
It's turning very 1984.
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How much fuss does Counterstrike cause in the press?, Vs How much fuss did Hitman cause?. I'm not certain but i can't remember a great deal of "race" being portrayed in that?.
How many of you played BF1942, and found yourself constantly shooting germans?.
Sorry but its a game, it isn't real life. People will always look to subvert things to their own beliefs, and i'm sure games are no different.
TiG
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So playing on a German side who murdered 10,000,000 and tried to wipe out anyone who didn't fit into the master race is in good taste?.
TiG
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well for a start but that figure is very contentious, but I cant see your point - what do you expect the game to portray, a conflict with a multi-cultural enemy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Akira
the fact is that america is most likely to be in conflict with Middle Eastern nations (and have been recently). Likewise in the cold war the Sovs were seen as the baddies.
re: True Lies, how many other terrorist groups have there been that have threatened America and also go for that kind of terror? Only Arab groups (yes there has been a few home grown groups but they are generally too incompetent to do anything, in addition any movie about them is fraught with danger in that it could encourage copycats etc).
I think you are going over the top.
The middle east is one of the most conflict strewn areas of the world that matter from an international relations pov, so it is natural that alot of games use it.
And a large proportion of the world's terrorist groups are Middle Eastern - and are the only ones threatening the USA.
Personally I think you are looking for rascism that isnt there
What has time got to do with it?, Nazi views are still current, are you trying to say those people that have died in the past don't count?. How dare you devalue their deaths because you arent living in the same time period as them.
You view is so over politcally correct its untrue. It is like saying that children in WWII didn't pretend to be a spitfire or meschersmit and try and shoot each other down in the playground.
Growing up playing computer games, is a lot different to growing up being taught hatred, and i'm not talking any specific race, colour, creed here. Northern Ireland is exactly the same, we're only just now seeing changes for the better, the generation that doesn't see the violence that has nothing to see, Eta in Spain etc etc.
Taught Hatred through the family/community is where you need to worry about, not computer games.
TiG
I think that in the current climate, there's a large amount of anti-Muslim sentiment.
Do the media reflect or determine public opinion?
Very hard to call - most likely a bit of both.
I'd suggest that unless the authors of the game have a specific political agenda to influence public opinion, or are in some way funded by people that do, the end result is likely just an unconscious projection of the current popular imagination.
Whether that current popular imagination is particularly ethical / tasteful / tolerant is another matter.
that must be some boring game to bring you here posting this :p
its only a game, so um.... who cares....
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Have you binned the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Akira
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Sorry Akira if you feel like you've been flamed, it wasn't my intention. However i find the idea of political correctness over what we should play as a game should be censored because it may be over a current conflict is totally flawed.
I consider myself completely open to all races, creeds, colours, differences and try to live my life by do onto others as you would have them do onto you.
Because i play a game based on wwII, current iraqi conflict, stalker, hitman, or anything else. Doesn't mean i support a viewpoint or indeed further its message.
Just like some people will form groups on this game to further their "political/idelogical" messages.
Games don't breed these ideas, people do. People teach hatred not games.
Just like guns don't kill people, people kill people. Its the important part of this perspective that i'm very keen that people respect.
TiG
Bring them on Arabs,Jews,Yanks,Russians,Japs and even my fellow countrymen(Jocks) bring them all on they all must die I must reach the end of the level I dont care if its PC. Kill them all.
Its only a game.
Modern games are all in vogue at the moment and thats because there is a lot of military might being thrown around the middle east at the moment. That said the Nineties were all about the Russians and their duels with the Americans and they were portrayed equally badly.
I would like to see a game whereby Americans start a conflict unprovoked (real world parallel...I couldn't possibly say) and everyone goes out to attack them.
Also I am bit bored with deserty textures which lets face it are easier (a link...surely not!) what about a FPS based outside in Britain, all the greens and browns, there is plenty of military hardware to model, in fact I have an idea for a scenario now. Also terrorists are getting a bit dull and cliched now, its been done to death.
All that said, DICE's next Battlefield game has mercenaries so maybe that will be a nice change.
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Learnt my lesson, I'll just stick to the techie forums in the future and not dare express an opinion.
Oh Akira,
You expressed your opinion we expressed ours and some people were a bit vitriolic but thats the internet. Don't be offended.
Gimme a break, calling my opinion crap does not follow the spirit of the forum, check out the forum title for further guidance.
No need to edit out your posts - You made a couple of good points - In fact I seem to remember there have been some games done from the other point of view portraying Westerners as the opposition.
History tends to be written by the winners and if computer games are a form of modern history ( in media ) then surely they'll reflect that ?
Err Akira, when did I call your opinion crap? Don't tar me with that rather large brush of yours.
Thank you
I just wanted to avoid any further carnage.
The fact is that anti-islamic feeling is high across the western world and, from an arab point of view, seeing folks chasing images of fellow arabs and shooting them may not be tasteful to them. I'm also not saying I don't play and enjoy these games, I do. But this doesn't lessen my point surely?
Nothing to do with political correctness, a simple truth. I'm not advocating censorship in video games in any form whatsoever!
If history is written by the victors (and we know it is) what will they make of the war in Iraq which may or may not be a just one?
Have you seen the movie where US troops manage to pinch the Enigma machine from the Nazis? Historically this is ridiculous as British Commandos recovered the Enigma machine with no American involvement...
Did I even say that? NO. I was referring to the forum as you yourself were....Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeTuk
World culture needs a bad guy...during the Cold War that was the Communists, and now it's Muslims. The generalisations are unfair, and do contribute to negative stereotypes.
The West (primarily the USA and corporate culture) have found things to be afraid of in Islam, not least it's rapid expansion. Combined with current affairs, it makes it an easy target.
I think you mean: Guns don't kill people........ wappers do :embarrassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by TiG
since when has anti islamic feeling been high, sounds to me like to you've been reading to much sun, i'd say more ppl are sick of feeling there uncontrolled immigration letting pyschos and nutters into the countryQuote:
Originally Posted by Akira
and that comment about the war been written by victors blah blah pretty rubbish argument tbh because the government have hardly any control over whats written maybe they did during medieval times, although i do agree with you inrespect that games media adverts do effect ppl maybe not always in bad way but they simply do effect ppl
Okay, the reading of books is, according to the BBC, on the wane and in the states it's even worse.
Reasons for this - they watch TV or play video games (again the BBC, not me so no flaming please).
So, somebody watches, I don't know, Band of Brothers, Pearl Harbour or the movie about the Enigma machine (no, not Enigma, the other one) and they get exposed to a factual historical account? Exactly.
I bet if you asked pretty much any American about the US involvement in both WWI and WWII and a typical quip would be, "we saved your asses". I bet in 30 years time they're saying the same thing about the war in Iraq (luckily we have the net this time).
Anti Islamic feeling not high? I'm not talking about inthe Uk but in the west in general, why else would a passenger plane not take off until people that looked like terrorists were removed? That's completely sane, right? Why else would Sikhs (associated with middle east coz of turban) be randomly assaulted in the US? Normal right?
You can call me a politically correct whatever as much as you like but there are some things going on in the world that are just wrong and if you close your eyes and minds to them.....
There's a Rage Against the Machine song called "Wake Up"...
Btw, if you want to insult me please call me a butthole/idiot/tool or something as I consider being called a Sun reader most offensive. :p
I have to say, that if there was ANY suspicion whatsoever about ANYONE on ANY plane before take off, I would gladly endure a delay to make sure that the flight was safe, and that there werent any religious nutters that were going to try and blow it up. When there are a couple of hundred innocent lives at risk (plus more on the ground), I feel that it is worth upsetting a few people regardless of their colour or religion, to ensure the safety of the rest of us.Quote:
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lol so yo really think that ppl get educated through computer games and films, ever heard of something called school, university and college, these 2 middle eastern guys that got kicked off the plane are you referring to the 2 that admitted they where acting suspicously to wind ppl up.
The americans dont really need the uk to go to war they have a larger army more resources, money etc.. i doubt very much that will ever happen cliche tbh
Yep, a lesson in missing the point alright. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mcmiller
I didn't see any flaming in this thread. All I saw were opinions. Still, now this tread is dead.