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8 days and counting until the smoking ban comes in all over Wales.
The real git is that im English and the ban there doesnt come in until July.
I've been searching the net all morning for a job back home so i can get in another 4 months smoking in up the pub :D
Addict :lol:
I'm on the right side of the country :D
If you smoke, smoking in the pub really is the least of your worries.
:D
smokings baaaaaaad for you, kills your friends and family and makes you smell. just needed to say that before someone else did :rolleyes:
as an ex smoker i still sit in smoking sections and dont see a problem with people smoking at at all.
lol pubs have been smoke free for ages up here :)
I'm not to worry about the ban - I just think my local beer garden is going to get extra busy in the summer :)
As a person who's never smoked, I find it annoying, makes me cough a lot...I can't wait for the ban!Quote:
Originally Posted by MadduckUK
Im going to get fined and banned all over the damn place.
Im a smoker and I will continue to smoke where I always did. It really Pi**es me off that people I dont know feel they can tell me and others what is right for us. Even my mum cant do that anymore!
The fact that smokers areas are no longer going to be around is damn crayz. I agree people that done smoke should have somewhere smoke free, but if they have a choice why the hell dont I?
I know the risks and that I smell, bad for me blah blah etc.... and I dont care.
As the late Bill Hicks once said ;
“I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your *%$^*&' mouth.”
End rant/
(gets ready for flamming)
It really pi**es me off that people I don't know force their smoke down my throat when I pop out for a drink. It works both ways.. Not being funny with you - I agree you should have a choice, but so should I - and there's nothing stopping you popping out the back door to light up for a couple of minutes.
[flame] Man! if people want to do it themselves that's cool - but it must stay out of enclosed areas - I smoked for 9 years, gave up when my first kid was born. I am not self riteous about it, I just don't want it near me.[/flame]
The irony is that there are gonna be aload of people lighting right outside the enterance and people have to pass them to get into the pub.
Makes no sense
to quit or not to quit... i dont want to be known as a 'quitter' when the going gets though :P So i better keep smoking ;) :P
And people like you need to try think about others, why the fook should I be forced to put up with your dirty anti social habit?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoldenBurn1000
I can't wait for the ban, it means I can go to the pub without stinking like a dead dog the next day. I can even take my little son as well.
Starting him young on de beer? Good man! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordy
The reality is probably that as it gets more awkward people will consider giving up - and that's only a good thing as a whole isn't it? And if you're smoking outside then there's a (quite) large area for the smoke to disperse in :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mosherben
The same can be said for alcohol as smoking :)
Only if you atomised it and spread it through the room..Quote:
Originally Posted by Metier9
Now there's a project for the weekend :)
taking a child to the pub is worse than smoking tbh :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordy
Basically, we should have smoking pubs and non smoking pubs. The choice should be with the landlord.
BTW....For all you non smokers....when we start giving up because its banned are you
ready for the enormous hike in income tax
Also, although smokers supposedly use the NHS more, they also pay more into it through the taxes on cigarettes to keep it going.
How it effects peoples life :P not making alcohol airborn :PQuote:
Originally Posted by dangel
Hahhaha I knew I'd touch a nerve! Im not saying I want you all to breathe it in but why should we not have an area inside as well?
now I understand most you now think Im a ****** but its not just this, every single week there is one more thing we cant do, or shouldnt do or are banned from doing. Before long bubble wrap and cotton wool are going to be conpulsary atire before leaving the house.
I complety respect you veiws about people like me but I would like to see a bit more of a choice. rather than it being "forced down my throat" as I belive someone said. We all make choices.
I would love to have it seperated so the people that do not smoke may bring the children etc.. it would be the best way. But a complete ban, I just dont get.
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Originally Posted by HoldenBurn1000
Yeah, nice attitude there... being a non smoker, I think your attitude is a little self-centered, and although i'm fine in a room of 1 or 2 smokers, being in a pub is another story...
But anyway, fact of the matter is... YOU HAVE TO GET OUTSIDE, LIKE IT OR NOT.
Boo hoo ;)
what annoys me is that private clubs have been forced into this as well - i dont smoke but places like working mens clubs are going to suffer alot
Ignoring what my opinion or anyone else's opinion may or may not be; you're going to find it virtually impossible to do that unless you do it in your own or someone else's house, because pubs and bars aren't going to want to get fined!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoldenBurn1000
You can smoke in at home or someones elses and in a car etc.. can you smoke in the street? How about the field? Or how about what someone on flight back from china did and smoke in the toilet? (could of killed the teenager... i was dieing for one and smelling it all the way home didnt help much...)
Plenty of pubs serve food and have play areas for the kids - it can be quite sociable for both them and the parents :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzen
Meh, if labour stay in tax goes up anyway (it just did) and I'd rather people lived longer even if it cost me more (which is why we have an NHS and all contribute).Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzen
My way is more fun tho :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Metier9
The majority want it that's why it's happening. It's a fact of life in a democratic society and in this case the negatives (you having to nip out for a fag) don't outweigh the positives (people not dying sooner than God intended).Quote:
Originally Posted by HoldenBurn1000
Some people would like to drive at 80mph past schools, but as the majority of us can see that'd be a rather bad idea - and so you can't.
Ok, fair enough you have made a good point there. Agree with me or not, I still cant not help feeling unhappy at the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by dangel
Im sorry if everyone here thinks badly of me because of it, But that does not change the way I feel or the way I will express it.
I see I am the minorty but I will continue to feel this way no matter what. And im sorry if I offended you in anyway. I must be a very selfish person....but Im happy with my veiws and do not take back anything I have said.
Damn straight! In the UK people just don't like having kids around when they're socialising (quite sad tbh). In countries where they do like having kids around, families are stronger, and there's less fear of teenagers, and teenage crime is less.Quote:
Originally Posted by dangel
I love spending time with my kids in a social environment.
Anyway, back to smoking: uh, erm, it sucks.
To all those saying "I'll never stop, me!" - I truly hope you do: I used to work at Guy's, and the worst part about the job was having to see people regularly smoking through incisions in their trachea's, whilst standing outside the Clinical Oncology dept.
I understand why you feel the way you do and i'm not offended by it at all - it's reasonable for you to have an opinion and to express yourself by all means :) Sorry if I came across as though i was picking on you - I was just debating the issue, nothing more :) Cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoldenBurn1000
Well lets agree we differ very much on our veiws :) and I do see all your points. I just feel everyone that does not smoke has a voice and people that smoke do not (No word play intended!) And no i didnt think I was being picked on :P I knew i was going to cause some conflict but just wanted to voice my opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
Cheers :)
:)
Fixed ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzen
Don't think there's anything else that needs to be said really ;)
Because they've had half their throat removed right?!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoldenBurn1000
Sorry - poor taste!
i was waiting for that from someone ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by M0nkeyb0Y
From a comedian
"Wouldn't it be creepy if there was a whole family who had voiceboxes? [voicebox]
Son: Dad, can we go to the beach?
Dad: Yes, get your mum and the dog
[/voicebox]
Or the ultimate irony, someone with a voicebox pulling up to a drive through menu: [voicebox]
Customer: Can I have a quarter pounder burger with fries?
Employee: Stop making fun of me
Customer: I'm not making fun of you
Employee: I'm getting the manager
Customer: You can get the manager, I don't care
[/voicebox]
:lol:
What a crock of S**T, what a stupid law
At least i tried to give reasons ;) Blunt and to the point though lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by zashark
It's the one thing I missed from Scotland when I went to Madrid.
It's beautiful. It works fine in New York, and I tell you something, it removes part of the hangover.
I've worked out a hangover is made of 3 parts:
1) Alcohol intake (Varied with Water intake)
2) Tiredness
3) Smoke inhalation
I figured this out by going out and removing one of the 3 elements and seeing if hangover lessened.
Not being in a smokey pub genuinely helps the lack of hangover, stops be stinking of smoke and cuts my chances of cancer. Now I like a drink, but because you are out with me, I am not going to keep forcing you to drink some of my beer. That's the problem with smoking, it's a hobby/habit that affects everyone in the room, like it or not.
The splitting of pubs into smoking and no smoking wouldn't work. Friendship groups would be split, how many pubs would choose to alienate customers, you'd end up with a handful of novel no smoking pubs.
It's all or nothing basically.
Most pubs have outdoor sections, get used to canopies and heat lamps!
jeezo! you people need to get a grip! we've had the smoking ban for the past year and it's a million times better going out than it was before. and believe it or not, the smokers don't actually mind going outside, it's like a little social group outside pubs now.
honestly, you're not being deprived of your human rights or any piffle like that, just bloody well get on with living your lifeand stop being such poncy drama queens!
If you want to be inside, then erect a transparent, hermetically sealed room within the pub (transparent so you can see out of it) Install an airlock, and keep the inside of the room at a negative pressure - that way, any smoke in there stays in there, and you don't have to go out in the cold and rain (though ye should ye filthy beasties)*
*[mild mannered humour, not really pointed at anyone
Best thing we did up here in Scotland can goto the pub and not come home smelling like I've been in a forest fire. Also going to a resturant you dont get the ass who dicides to light up a cigar as soon as he's finished his meal and you are about to start yours.
Hope you enjoy the ban when it comes in as much as I have. Mind you you have to do the smokers run getting in and out of the pub but its only a few seconds rather than a few hours in the place.
I think the new law is ridiculous nanny statism. IMO if it was bad for a pub's business to have smokers in it, then they'd simply ban smoking themselves. I saw a pub up in London a couple of years ago that advertised itself as non-smoking- and I daresay that they wouldn't have done that if it made them unprofitable.
Back when I didn't smoke (much:p) I used to accept it as a fact of life that if I went out clubbing, or spent 6+ hours in a pub, I'd come back smelling of smoke. My view is: if you don't like smoke, don't go to a smoky pub. As far as I know, pubs/bars in places where a ban has been introduced notice an immediate loss in takings, and AFAIK they're yet to reattain pre-ban levels of trade.
Having said that, the smoking ban apparently has an approval rating among the general populace of 80% or more. 27% or so of the populace are smokers. Clearly, the ban has an enormous popular mandate and as a democrat I have to accept that. I'm not happy about it, but it's a popular law.
My Grandad is 86 (I think). He used to smke cigs, but for 35 years or more he's smoked a pipe. I can well remember him saying, probably 10 years ago now, that when he was at his bridge club people used to say that they quite enjoyed the smell of his pipe smoke. In my late teens, when I turned up after a night on the ales and smelt it first thing in the morning it used to make me feel a bit queasy, but apart from that, I like the smell too. When I smell it now, it reminds me of him. From July, he won't be able to light a briar over a game of bridge- the two true loves in his life, since he was widowed at the aged of 63. To me, that's harsh.
Basically, I think that the absolute sweeping finalism of the law is unnecessary. Pubs- sure. Working mens clubs, where typically 60%+ of the patrons smoke- it's silly. These venerable institutions for working class people to meet, socialise and consume cheap alcohol are essentially going to be made unviable- and that really is a shame. My wife's cousin is a member of one, and as guests we've spent a few enjoyable evenings there. It's a good night out, and for the members, a valuable social network.
Their uncle (as in my wife's and her cousin's) has been a member for decades. He had a bad motorcycle accident in the 60's and suffered brain damage. His wife left him and took the kids. Since then the club has been his social lifeline. I don't know if he used to smoke- he certainly doesn't now- but that club is everything to him and if it folds he'll be a lonely old man.
I could go on and on about my views on smoking, including whether I'll give up- I've decided that I enjoy it too much, but if my wife got pregnant I'd quit as soon as I saw the second line on the test- but who knows if that'll happen? Ultimately, I think this is a prime example of good intentions turning into a bad law. Once again New Labour's 'well meaning' legislation is set to screw over the working people they were founded to represent.
As long as all smokers can get free treatment to stop smoking via the NHS I'm not bothered
I'll happily go outside for a cigarette if I want one, do it at home and do it at work, not a problem for me
Just one problem........I think the student places are going to reek of BO, vomit and general sweat now..... Place I went in in Edin when I went up to see my mate just after the ban had come in stank but not of smoke, I'd rather smell of smoke than of poor personal hygeine
just my £0.02 anyway :)
I like rave's take on things. I remember fondly my the smell of my dad's pantellas when he smoked and it was a nice smell. Stale cigerette smoke is not pleasant though.
I think it's appaling that this will hit certain establishments the hardest.
The whole problem with this issue is the badly drafted law.
It's very simple.
People who smoke want the freedom to do so and should be allowed to do that IF the bar owner allows it.
People who DO NOT smoke want the freedom to enjoy the pub without smoke and should be allowed to do that IF the bar owner allows it.
So instead of this rediculous catch all ban there should have been a compromise.
And that compromise should be either smoking only sections that are not part of the bar serving area and separated from the non-smoking area by physical partition. (not a crappy sign)
Or
An air quality standard that would force better air filtration/extraction equipment to be used.
I can understand the 'elf and safety side of it with regards to staff (hence the separate bar serving area) but I think a ban is too extreme. It smacks of the nanny state telling people what to do rather than coming to a proper solution.
I've always found it odd that I have never been in a pub that bans smoking. I don't smoke generally although on the odd occasion I like a cigar with a drink just for teh record.
The ban is a good thing because it prevents those who choose not to smoke from having that choice taken away.
However I believe it should have included a provision for the creation of designated smoking areas that were seperate and distinct from non-smoking areas (e.g. closed rooms).
So true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
You'd rather smell of smoke than of poor personal hygeine? What's hygenic about smoking?Quote:
Originally Posted by finlay666
people smoking in my face is down right rude. They wouldnt like it if i jsut kept letting it rip in their faces for 2 hours, making their clothes reak of fart. Worst is those people that put the cigarette away from their faces in that audrey hepburn pose, put it closer to somone elses face. what a cheek
I am a smoker and I dont mind the ban folks are right they should have to breathe my smoke. But at the same time they should ban alcohol in breeds antsocial behaviour from both young and old. drink driving,urinating in public,vomitting all over the street,brawling,general abusive behavior and of course the strain put on A&E departments at weekends along with the other costs borne by the NHS because of alcohol abuse. Of course that is not all drinkers,most are sociable people like most smokers who just like a little pleasure in their life and do it without offending other people. So lets stop all this ban this because its bad for you and get of your high horses telling me whats bad and good for me I can work it out for myself without being legislated against or preached to. In my own home I only smoke in one room in the house with the door closed and the window open so my wife,children and dog do not have to breathe in my filthy disgusting smoke. I would smoke outside but the air is polluted because of the flights from Stansted airport and the huge amount of traffic from the nearby dual carrigeway. Ah! I have an idea lets ban them as well.
Flying over my house what a cheek.:)
The fact that its more socially acceptable than poor hygeineQuote:
Originally Posted by Kezzer
And yes I would rather smell of smoke than other peoples bodily fluids/bacteria (that eats the sweat causing BO) on me after a night out
As some fellow scot has pointed out already, the ban's been in place here for just less than a month over a year (don't ask how many minutes and seconds).
The ban, from experience here and NY, is not that bad. Pubs are nicer on the overall, but clubs are the absolute stinker. Clubs just stink of BO and farts - most of which will accumulate and would wish there was no such ban.
Even as a smoker, I don't like being in a restaurant with smoke in my presence until I've finished my meal (selfish, whatever, who cares). I just dont think clubs are a particularly good choice.
But hey, lets hope they can find a link for farts and bo causing cancer or other potential lethal harm to innocent bystanders so that can ban those as well.
On the social side, I've met some really good people just from having to go outside and having a chat - although I experienced this before in NY - the thing is that smokers was always a social crowd (esp if you work somewhere with fag breaks).
As a smoker (quit once, but back on it), and once hater of smokers, I can see both sides of the popular arguments - and no one is right, and no one is wrong. What matters is once the law's been laid, there's really F-A you can do about it and rebelling against it is somewhat useless (and dumb). You can argue ban it for certain places, or have certain indoor places for smoking, but why bother if it's being put in place (or has been already).
And yes, my whole street smells of smoke even in open air due to the amount of smokers - I'm interested in how the smoking ban will affect Scotlands figures for lung cancer (or even 2nd hand smoke related cancer). Im not being cynical, or speaking from a smokers point of view, I'm merely interested.
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Originally Posted by finlay666
I would rather be smelly than have cancer. Equally, I would rather have someone stinky sit next to me on the bus/train, than someone smoking. The stink isnt going to kill you, but the smoke is.
Unfortunatley, smokers smell horrible, and have really bad breath. That is without exception.
the bus/train bit yeah as it is a seriously confined space...which is why you cant on either........Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
Smokers smell horrible....bad breath hmm.....same can easily be said for people with poor personal hygeine
Sat next to you in a pub then, same difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by finlay666
As I said, the poor personal hygeine is unpleasant, but it wont kill you. Smoking does, and it kills those around you.
yeah but pubs (weatherspoons and similar especially) have no smoking sections (the union rooms in newcastle has a no smoking floor!), and not really the same as you dont have to sit next to someone smoking
point taken about killing you, maybe the quitting helo should be very and easily accesible for free on the NHS? smokers have pumped in more than enough via taxes IMO
The help for quitting is free and easily available on the NHS. I just mentioned it and my doc had gone and got a box of patches off his shelf, and gave be a prescription for more, and some lozenges....all of which didnt work for me, cold turkey is the way forward :lol:
It shouldnt be a case of "ooh, well if we give up, they should look after us with better care". You wouldnt be doing anyone else a favour by giving up, only yourself.
Contradicted yourself in one sentance there ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzen
Currently, 26% of people of smoking age smoke. If everyone gave up logically the missing tax to be clawed back would 1/4 of the tax raised by cigarettes on everyone. Also, as you mentioned there, Smokers cost the NHS money I cant remember if they pay more tax then cost the NHS or not, but its close. I dont think that'll add up to an "enormous hike in income tax"
Didnt realise it was quite that easy clunk!
*makes note to go to doctors when I go home*
I was under the impression that the ban only affected places serving food, or was that scrapped? If not then the club thing is a bit irrelevant.
EDIT: that was scrapped, so smelly clubs here we come!
I'm not saying that it is easy to give up, in fact, it isnt for most people, but there is a shedload of help available if you really want it.Quote:
Originally Posted by finlay666
Good luck :)
Sorry you seem to have misunderstood my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
I meant that easy to get help, I appreciate quitting an addiction is a difficult thing to do