Wanted to be a doctor now probally be a cleaner:'(

[arbitor]

IT. You have to be good at it though.
However IMO in IT you're better off with a degree anyway.

I take it sales is a vocation??

[TheAnimus]

Whatever you train in, doesn't mean you'll end up doing that... I'm thinking of packing in IT and going into catering or teaching or something.

Cheesecake tasting eh?

[charleski]

Doctors earn so much money is there a job i can do that relates to those 3 subjects that im studying that can have the same wage earnings as a doctor

Maybe I'm a bit late to the party...

But, speaking as a doctor, I'm very glad that your academic incompetence is preventing you from exploiting the public in the manner that you planned. NO SYMPATHY for you here. You clearly have not the slightest idea of the degree of public-service commitment that medicine requires as a matter of ethics.

Go and work for a pension-fund like the rest of the ******s.

[schmunk]

Go and work for a pension-fund like the rest of the ******s.

Ooh, catty...

[charleski]

Ooh, catty...

If you want to make money, go and work where you keep a close eye on it.
...

Seriously, the medical profession (and EVERYONE OF YOU) is far better-off without people who think medicine is just a fast-track to status and money. These people are just scum. And that's my professional opinion.

[Steve B]

i would agree with charleski on this point. There are still to many people that think becoming a doctor is like receiving blank cheques.

[Dareos]

So, would a solution to this problem being reducing the wage of Doctors then, to stop these money grabbing charlatans destroying innocent lives?


*not serious, dont take offence *

[Zak33]

If you want to make money, go and work where you keep a close eye on it.
...

Seriously, the medical profession (and EVERYONE OF YOU) is far better-off without people who think medicine is just a fast-track to status and money. These people are just scum. And that's my professional opinion.

harsh but fair. Though I'd politely ask for it to be a tad nicer next time, maybe with a bit of reasoned judgement

[Nick]

If you can name a profesion (not a vocation) that you can enter at 18 and be earning more than someone on the grad program by the time you're 21 Ill eat my hat.

Rather ironically, you'd better get the ketchup out then as chefs easily earn more from being in the trade from 18 and learning on the job rather than going to college.

Sure, some places insist on formal qualifications so a part-time course whilst working might be helpful but in my 16 years of cooking I was never once asked to show my certificates other than the annually renewed food safety ones.

As a head chef working in a top establishment, I had perhaps as many as ten applications a month from college leavers, all of whom were less skilled and less knowledgeable than the same age chefs who'd started off at 16 or 18 in kitchens full time.

Often these guys out of college would be expecting 18 or 20k a year for their first job and only the most desperate of places would hire anyone at that rate (and probably sack them soon after). Meanwhile, someone with 3 or 4 years experience under their apron could expect at least 20-22K depending on their employment history.

But I think that's the thing with jobs. You do it either for the money or for the love... and it's rare to get both in the same job.

Luckily for me, with a brief exception for a while in my last job, I've been able to have both.

[schmunk]

Nick's post is actually a great example why 'University for all' is not such a great idea. I believe that large proportion of the people doing Leisure & Tourism etc. at University would be better off with some manner of on-the-job training from 18 (or possibly even 16), like an Apprenticeship.

[Nick]

Aye, and what about these people who do History of Art and Philosophy? Last time I looked the broadsheets were just chock full of jobs for people who know where the likes of Turner and Constable lived or for folk who could stare at the ceiling all day and come up with something profound at the end of the week....

[ACiD303]

I believe that large proportion of the people doing Leisure & Tourism etc. at University would be better off with some manner of on-the-job training from 18 (or possibly even 16), like an Apprenticeship.

I've hardly met anyone, who at that age knows what they want to be doing in life, let alone go and do it. And as it's been pointed out, you don't necessarily end up doing what you studied. Most people I've met do something completely unrelated to their degree.

I used to think University was a complete waste of time (been twice) if you're just studying for no real reason. I guess employers who want a graduate from a non-specific degree just want to see someone can work their way through something (even if they hate it). University can provide you with skills, knowledge and lots of other little opportunities - but it still doesn't match up to field experience. A degree is not a terribly good example because it seems a degree seems pretty much devalued now, and anything less than a masters seems unworthy.

People also go to University because they actually want to study a particular subject because they enjoy that subject - regardless of the job prospects or outcome. I wish I had done this to begin with, but at 18, you can make some seriously retarded decisions when you have no direction and don't take anything seriously.

Then, of course, University is also for doing all the stuff in excesses that just wouldn't be possible compared to 4 years working full time.

"There is a time and a place for everything - it's called University"

[Dareos]

Aye, and what about these people who do History of Art and Philosophy? Last time I looked the broadsheets were just chock full of jobs for people who know where the likes of Turner and Constable lived or for folk who could stare at the ceiling all day and come up with something profound at the end of the week....

Of course there is Nick, they are called Baggage Handlers

[arbitor]

Rather ironically, you'd better get the ketchup out then as chefs easily earn more from being in the trade from 18 and learning on the job rather than going to college.

Sure, some places insist on formal qualifications so a part-time course whilst working might be helpful but in my 16 years of cooking I was never once asked to show my certificates other than the annually renewed food safety ones.

As a head chef working in a top establishment, I had perhaps as many as ten applications a month from college leavers, all of whom were less skilled and less knowledgeable than the same age chefs who'd started off at 16 or 18 in kitchens full time.

Often these guys out of college would be expecting 18 or 20k a year for their first job and only the most desperate of places would hire anyone at that rate (and probably sack them soon after). Meanwhile, someone with 3 or 4 years experience under their apron could expect at least 20-22K depending on their employment history.

But I think that's the thing with jobs. You do it either for the money or for the love... and it's rare to get both in the same job.

Luckily for me, with a brief exception for a while in my last job, I've been able to have both.

All the chefs i have worked with have worked amazingly bad hours, for quite little...

But even then the extra money soon goes if you have made a leap, or go straight into a 20k job you will spend 25 just the same and probably 30 aswell..

I had a large payrise recently which has put me over the 20k bracket which before i was nearer the ten.. and really i have no more to show for it at the end of the month....

[Elmo]

All the chefs i have worked with have worked amazingly bad hours, for quite little...

But even then the extra money soon goes if you have made a leap, or go straight into a 20k job you will spend 25 just the same and probably 30 aswell..

I had a large payrise recently which has put me over the 20k bracket which before i was nearer the ten.. and really i have no more to show for it at the end of the month....

some of us can live within our means. we have a no credit card rule in this house, the only credit/debt we have is our mortgage and cars (student debt doesnt count cos you don't really have a choice in that) - which comes to less than £100k in total. We also save at least £300 a month into ISAs. So it is possible to live a decent enough life within your (relatively small) budget!

[arbitor]

Yeh i know, it just seems that although i keep getting more i dont have anymore to show for it.

But back on topic wheres this guy gone??

Tbh on the flipside most jobs are done because of money.. but i think if its soully for money, i dont think medicine justifys itself amazingly well