Creationists plan British theme park

[Stewart]

'The latest salvo in creationism's increasingly ferocious battle with evolution is about to be fired in Lancashire. Not in a fiery sermon preached from the pulpit, but in the form of a giant Christian theme park that will champion the book of Genesis and make a multi-media case that God created the world in seven days.'

Aye. Forget reason, forget logic, forget sanity, forget carbon dating, forget modern scientific methods, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORSHIP THE MOON UNTIL YOU ALL WORSHIP IT WITH US. HAIL TO THE MOON! THE MOON WHO GIVES US LIFE! THE MOON WHO IS POWERFULL AND WISE! (And the Sun)


'Peter Jones, one of the Lancashire theme park's trustees, said the emphasis would be on multimedia rather than the costume re-enactments of famous biblical scenes favoured at Holy Land. 'It will be a halfway house for youngsters,' Jones said. 'Today all they do is binge drink. We will be able to offer them an alternative.'

Yup – binge drinking. Thats all they do. Scientific fact. Every single youngster in England spends every single second of every single day drinking. And not only drinking, but binge drinking.

And why? Because they don't accept that God made the Earth in 6 days a few thousand years ago, that's why. Isn't it obvious? I think it is. If you don't agree then THE DEVIL LIVES IN YOUR EYES AND HAS TRICKED YOU PROBABLY BY HIDING DINOSAUR BONES IN THE GROUND AS WELL AS CONVINCING PEOPLE HE DOESN'T EXIST! WORSHIP THE MOON AND STOP BINGE DRINKING! THIS IS THE 14TH CENTURY AFTER ALL. THE MOON! WORHSHIP IT! (And the Sun)


'By producing its own films, the trust believes it will be able to provide an antidote to modern culture. It says on its website: 'On television today there is so much sex and violence, it is no wonder our youth are binge drinking ... This is a revolutionary scheme requiring innovative people with the vision to bring about change and a new direction.'

Again, completely true. Again, proven scientific fact.

Take a youth, a bog standard youth. Put said youth in a room. Put in aforementioned room a TV and a table. Put on said aforementioned table some drink. Turn on aforementioned said TV. Put on said TV religious programmes, observe behaviour of aforementioned said aforementioned youth. Observe youth contemplating the human condition, composing great works of literature, and doing good deeds.

Now remove religious programmes from TV and replace with sex. OBSERVE HOW THE YOUTH NOW FROTHS AT THE MOUTH, BINGE DRINKING AND WORSHIPING SATAN, SHUNING MOON WORSHIP IN FAVOUR OF BEATING SMALLER CHILDREN AROUND THE HEAD WITH THE DINOSAUR BONES THE DEVIL HAS HIDDEN IN THE ROOM!

CHANGE THE CHANNEL! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CHANGE THE ******* CHANNEL! ARRRGGGH!


'Evolution has falsely become the foundation of our society and we need the television studio to advocate Genesis across this land in order to remove this falsehood, which presently is destroying the church foundation.'

WORSHIP THE MOON! DON'T BELIEVE THE LIES SCIENCE TEACHES YOU! I'M NOT MAD, I JUST LIVE IN THE PAST! WORSHIP THE MOON! (Just don't mention all the Priests sexually abusing children or Dinosaur bones plz)


'Wigan council slammed the door in our faces. You mention the C [Christian] word, and people don't want to know,' Jones said.'

We don't want to know because all the sane people have moved on from these pathetic fairy stories, me old mucker. People like you are out of date now, fossils. Just like Dinosaur bones.

Alton Towers must be shaking in their boots.

[G4Z]

G4Z, i can assure you that there are scientists that disagree on the extent of various non-religious things too (e.g. quantum mechanics and relativitiy which were developed around the same time) at any given time...

I don't disagree with that statement, but I don't think you will find any scientists that claim they have all of the answers and that our understanding of the universe is complete. That's exactly what the religious types are saying.

[JPreston]

b) the term 'creationist' seems to have been narrowed down to a single definition, that of '6 days literally' etc. For me (and many others) the term means that there is a God who is the source of His creation, and was involved along the way. Just to clarify.

OK - so 'just to clarify' - do you basically agree with this:

When I have a question, I turn to science and logic to find the answer. Regarding the origins of life, science tells us that humans evolved from single-celled organisms to our current form through a process of natural selection that took billions of years.

This much is clear to anyone with any background in modern thinking. We can look at the fossil record and trace many of our genetic traits back to ancient species. In fact, scientific reasoning can explain nearly every stage of life from the Big Bang to the present day. I say "nearly" because the period that scientists claim lasted from roughly 205 to 250 million years ago, commonly known as the Triassic period, was quite obviously the work of the Lord God Almighty.

the rest is here

That seems about right to you?

[JPreston]

Well, I must admit can't prove that definitely isn't what happens...

[Mr Pants]

'Peter Jones, one of the Lancashire theme park's trustees, said the emphasis would be on multimedia rather than the costume re-enactments of famous biblical scenes favoured at Holy Land. 'It will be a halfway house for youngsters,' Jones said. 'Today all they do is binge drink. We will be able to offer them an alternative.'

Peter Jones from the Dragons Den?

If so what a crap investment one word comes to mind: n**

[usxhe190]

...and right on the other side of the world, a group of angry Australians are protesting about building a muslim school (their issue is not about faith based education by the way - they just hate muslims and they don't mind christians/catholics).

lol - here ridicule a christian theme park
over there protest on muslim school

lol people love judging and controlling other people who aren't breaking the law...we all have a lot to learn...

[Stewart]

What we must all learn is that 2000 year old fairy stories are not the way forward for society. We must stop worshiping the moon.

Moon worship, ideally, should be legal but not practised.

[Rosaline]

Unlike some people with a strong scientific background, particularly those with high profiles, I would never degrade a wise person's following of religion-based spirituality.

There are some areas which are better, for now at least, guided and encouraged by religion-based spirituality than by science. Matters of morality, the kind treatment of others, the big questions that science simply cannot answer (what is it all for?).

However, as wise people, scientific principle guides the rest of their lives. Science reveals the wonder and majesty of all creation (religion-based spirituality gives it greater depth and meaning). Science leads us to solutions that work, and provides knowledge of the importance of diversity within our species.

Whilst the catholic church has some ridiculous points of view on some matters clear under science (contraception, normality of LGBT, etc), popes thankfully regularly talk about heading the advice of science in fields such as world peace, climate change and health.

The difference between a scientist and a zealot is that scientists feel no issue with applauding some one for being good and also criticising them for being bad. It's about evidence and about shades of grey. Zealots tend to pick one, stick to it and never change their mind.

Islam once resulted in mighty scholars, who viewed scientific investigation as part of their religion. It is a shame that even the Sunni Islamic states of today do not hark back to those days. Perhaps world politics would be less tense if this were so.

It is important that we separate religion from spirituality. Spirituality is a sense of wonder, awe, and a belief in more than just ourselves. Religion as we know it in the 21st century has little to do with these things now, often focusing on blind faith, the following of some other human and the personal wealth of a select few. Religions cause a lot of harm, but truly spiritual people are a gift, and make fine companions.

It is true, over the history of human-kind, religious and spiritual matters have held us back and sometimes caused great harm, either physical or in the delay of scientific advances. But the evidence is clear, a religious belief is important to a lot of the population of earth. To argue that they should give these up wholesale or that science can somehow 'replace' religion makes one simply look like a jerk, and doesn't exactly follow the best evidence of psychological research, either!

Religious groups fear and demean science not because it threatens their spirituality, but because it threatens the negative aspects of being a religion. Science means understanding which means one is harder to control or make to pay money. They make science out to be complex, when the scientific method is perhaps one of the simplest things to explain! And indeed, all of science is typically built up of small, verifiable, steps just like this.

Once explained and understood, science prevents magical thinking, but it does not prevent a sense of awe and wonder, and it does not solve deep moral questions (at least, not for the moment). Science also will never preclude art, and religions are prolific creators and sources of this.

[usxhe190]

i know some scientists who are religious or are agnostics edging on theists...
who really think themselves as "true" atheists...

[G4Z]

i know some scientists who are religious or are agnostics edging on theists...
who really think themselves as "true" atheists...

Care to name some names?

I think you just spout rubbish for the hell of it, I really do.

Oh and if they believe in a deity and consider themselves atheists they should probably consider themselves idiots as well.

[usxhe190]

G4Z, you won't know the scientists I know but then a simple search on the internet found this:

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | US scientist wins religion prize

but then I am just spouting rubbish aren't I? or the guy is stupid then...

as for the atheist point, i hope you do realise there are varying degrees of atheists, agnostics, and, as you have already pointed out, religious types

you, my friend, have a lot to learn on about the variety of people (and their religious and non-religious belief) that populate this world.

edit - i remember on another thread, didn't you or someone else mention previously that there was some tongue in cheek list that showed scientists that were religious in some way??

[Stewart]

'Charles Townes, a former winner of the Nobel Prize for physics, has won the Templeton Prize, worth £795,000 (more than $1.5m).'

Find me a talking snake Charlie boy, and I'll double it.

[G4Z]

I just read that and its absolute crap with no concrete examples.

"Since then, the two fields, especially in areas such as quantum mechanics, have been coming together in a less fractious relationship."

Absolute rubbish, about the only thing they have in common is the fact that you can't test/observe quantum mechanics and you can't test observe a deity. That does not mean one day we will not be able to observe QM, somebody might think up a way to do it that nobody has considered today. The same cannot be said of an omnipotent deity. The major difference between the two is that with QM you can make predictions , you can't predict when god is going to get down off his cloud and wipe out everything on earth in a giant flood except for one man, his boat and about a million species of animal.

Just because somebody who is clearly intelligent can fool themselves with doublethink into believing in god does not make him any less an idiot in that regard. If he applied his scientific thinking to religion I do not see how he could possibly reconcile the two, clearly he applies that critical thinking to anything but his 'faith'.

as for the atheist point, i hope you do realise there are varying degrees of atheists, agnostics, and, as you have already pointed out, religious types

you, my friend, have a lot to learn on about the variety of people (and their religious and non-religious belief) that populate this world.

Uhhh, just how condescending do you want to be? I don't see how it is relevant anyway seeing as the point I was responding to was that you could have 'faith' and be an atheist at the same time. Well your article doesn't show that as the guy is clearly a Christian and not an atheist. Want to try again? Pretty sure the definition of the word atheist would still make anybody who thinks you can be both an idiot.

[usxhe190]

G4Z,

as for the sentence you quoted from the article, i can't comment, since it is an opinion statement from BBC news.

yes my post does sound condescending, i guess it was due to your response, namely "I think you just spout rubbish for the hell of it, I really do."

as for atheist and faith, it really depends on how you define atheist and faith, see Atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

edit - on by the way, as for quantum mechanics, it CAN be tested and observed (with the right assumptions) and we have lots of uses of quantum mechanics in our present world today.

and i guess there is some reason for the hate...maybe because your partner who you think have been brainwashed by some religious influence as per your post in the previous thread

[kalniel]

It's probably not really quantum mechanics though - it just so happens that QM fits those observations. It apparently doesn't fit all of them though, but it's still a useful tool.

In general though it'd be nice to think of Hexus, especially at this time of year, as a place where we do show respect for others.

[G4Z]

G4Z,

as for the sentence you quoted from the article, i can't comment, since it is an opinion statement from BBC news.

as for my post sounding condescending, i guess it was due to your response, namely "I think you just spout rubbish for the hell of it, I really do."

Well, you still have not give me an example of a scientist who belives in god and considers himself an atheist, until you do I will stand by that statement.

as for atheist and faith, it really depends on how you define atheist and faith, see Atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

edit - on by the way, as for quantum mechanics, it CAN be tested (with the right assumptions) and we have lots of uses of quantum mechanics in our present world today.

I am not even going to look a that link because I know exactly what atheism is, its a-theism as in not theistic, as in does not believe in a deity, you know the exact opposite of a deist.

The only way to test QM is by prediction methods, which is exactly what I said. When I said observe/test I really should have just used observe, reason being that it is currently not possible to observe a quantum particle without disturbing it and changing its state. I don't pretend to be an expert in QM, but I know enough to know that it is in no way similar to 'faith'.