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    Google must divulge YouTube log

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7488009.stm

    What do you think about this?

    How will this affect the every day youtube user?

    Do you watch music videos, tv programs etc on youtube?
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    Re: Google must divulge YouTube log

    There are TV shows and Music videos on YouTube? thats news to me

    Tbh they can (and do it has to be said) stop it happening on youtube but they are hardly going to stop those willing to look a little futher a field.

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    Re: Google must divulge YouTube log

    everyone who has been rick rolld is in trouble!!
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    Re: Google must divulge YouTube log

    The data should be given to an independant third party to do the processing on Viacom's behalf, instead of just handing it over and letting Viacom do what ever they want. But maybe that's just me being paranoid...

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    Re: Google must divulge YouTube log

    to be honest I think this is only to be used as proof that google are breaking the law and not to find info about users.
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    Re: Google must divulge YouTube log

    Its a shame that google have to hand over data about its video's but to be honest it is there own fault. They could do far more to prevent copyright material being uploaded / watched in the first place. As a daily user of you tube I see very little moderation of uploaded content... Safeguards should have been put in place by google to prevent this from ever happening.

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    Re: Google must divulge YouTube log

    If we are to believe Viacom, then they simply want it for viewing habits. It's possible that they want IP addresses so they can make the stats relevant for each country - or something like that. In any case it's going to take them a while to plough through all those logs.

    To be honest, i think Viacom are being a bit stupid and selfish here. Companies like Universal put music videos up on YouTube and they get millions of views - and a hell of a lot of publicity too. Obviously they're complaining about tv episodes, but compared to some of the other video sharing sites, there aren't nearly as many.

    They've also been a tad greedy: http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=9242

    Apparently they tried to force Google to release their search code. Riiight and how does that help? I mean, did they honestly expect to gain access to effectively Google's business.

    It's probably a good thing Google bought YouTube, if it had still been the relatively small company it was, this court case would probably have crippled it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mblaster
    The data should be given to an independant third party to do the processing on Viacom's behalf, instead of just handing it over and letting Viacom do what ever they want. But maybe that's just me being paranoid...
    It is. Viacom have only been granted access to use the data for the purpose of proving their case. They won't actually be given a hard drive (or 20) filled with information. It's all going to be anonymous - except for username and IP.

    To quote a CNET article:

    The court's protective order stipulates that data turned over to Viacom by Google must be used for the sole purpose of proving Viacom's claim against Google that YouTube is a hotbed of pirated video content, the sources said. Viacom will not have direct access to the YouTube user data, the source said. Access is restricted to outside counsel and experts.

    Viacom, therefore, is forbidden from targeting individual users in the manner of the RIAA's lawsuits against individuals found to be downloading illegal music.
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    Re: Google must divulge YouTube log

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
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    How will this affect the every day youtube user?
    oh no ... if my friends find out some of the music I've been listening to ... honestly I clicked the wrong link

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    Re: Google must divulge YouTube log

    surely its not a crime to view a video on youtube?

    I was under the impression that if your given something that violates copyright, or buy something that violates copyright, its not your fault because you did it in good faith?

    As such is it illegal to view something owned by viacom, which youtube have no right to broadcast? I'd of thought not.
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    Re: Google must divulge YouTube log

    its only illigal to upload it I think, but thats not the issue here. They are after google, not the user.
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    Re: Google must divulge YouTube log

    @TheAnimus: Viacom, in all their corporate glory almost tried to argue that anyone who watched it was breaking the law. A bit like trying to charge someone with possession for media files.

    The current case is that they're taking 'Tube to court because they haven't done enough to prevent video piracy on the network. Ironically this won't make much difference for music videos since they tend to be legally uploaded by record companies. Same sort of thing as companies targeting seeders instead of leechers.

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