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    MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20...irewall-users/

    It appears that one of the latest updates for Windows has decided to break ZoneAlarm. Gotta wonder whether it indicates a) ZoneAlarm doing something right that no other firewall product, b) ZoneAlarm does something wrong compared to other firewall products or c) MS is just being nasty!

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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    ZoneAlarm used to be terrible for causing problems with some software and not going away when you shut it down or even un-installed it.

    It really wouldn't surprise me if MS fixed a hole that caused ZoneAlarm alarm to break because it was doing something it shouldn't.

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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    b)

    The patch was part of a cross-vendor coordinated attempt to fix an issue in most DNS implementations. Zonealarm (if I understand correctly) does bad stuff, and this fix broke their firewall.

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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    What a shame. Why anyone needs to use crappy software-based firewalls in this day and age I don't know. What's wrong with your ADSL/Cable router?
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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    What a shame. Why anyone needs to use crappy software-based firewalls in this day and age I don't know. What's wrong with your ADSL/Cable router?
    One reason is that it means I can decide on an application-by-application basis, as and when it occurs, what can talk out.

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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    What a shame. Why anyone needs to use crappy software-based firewalls in this day and age I don't know. What's wrong with your ADSL/Cable router?
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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    what Sara and Badass said - We'll be using the 2008 firewall implementation on our 2k8 infrastructure when it gets rolled out.

    the clue is in your post
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    not firewall
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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    Oh, and it gives me an easy way to implement a degree of granularity too - some PCs can do things that are blocked, by a software firewall, on others.

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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    OK router was the wrong word. ADSL Router/Firewall then, or Corporate Firewall appliance. Can do all of the above
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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    still no reason not to run a layer 7 firewall. especially in a corporate environment , where you want to be able to control what applications a workstation allows to talk to the network.
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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    I would say software firewall first, router second. What happens if you're on a laptop and you connect to another network? Say you go round a friend's house who doesn't have a hardware firewall.

    I do however, like the reassurance that i can shut down my firewall if it acts up and not worry about bad things happening too quickly on my PC.

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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiternoise View Post
    I would say software firewall first, router second. What happens if you're on a laptop and you connect to another network? Say you go round a friend's house who doesn't have a hardware firewall.

    I do however, like the reassurance that i can shut down my firewall if it acts up and not worry about bad things happening too quickly on my PC.
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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    this is why i use it too, i lie to know whats trying to communicate

    i cant see how a router firewall does the same job

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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    yep, this happened to me this morning. Got out of bed, planing to go the gym this morning. No Internet connection. Ask my sisters,Yes they have an internet connection.

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    In the end i just rolled windows back.

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    Re: MS Shafts ZoneAlarm Users

    Quote Originally Posted by Moby-Dick View Post
    still no reason not to run a layer 7 firewall. especially in a corporate environment , where you want to be able to control what applications a workstation allows to talk to the network.
    Since I lost the argument with the boss about implementing firewalls for clients and servers, I have had to use a layer 8 firewall on our systems.

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